Considering I could either get one hour of 1/6 vital buffs for 75 goop or 12 hours of 3/13 vital buffs for 375 goop in your example, Shaddus, I'm not sure I like those numbers. Perhaps just altering the Goldentonic to use 50 or 75 goop, and keep the rest of the recipes as they were before?
Why can't candies be sold? I'd have happily bought some of the hundreds you all have, but I never saw any for sale.
There used to be plenty of adverts from people selling them (see ADS in-game), but no one was buying, even at 1 credit per, which is not unreasonable to ask.
Kiss of the Enchantress hisses eerily, "Let them fear, and despair."
For reasons I don't want to go into, each potion or candy can only have one commodity.
BTW, I had a brainstorm regarding candies. The costs can be per dose but during crafting you can specify how many doses per candy (up to a max of 100 doses). Thus, rather than lots of packs of candy, you can carry just one large pack of candy. Further, you can combine candies of the same type into one pack (max 100 doses).
For reasons I don't want to go into, each potion or candy can only have one commodity.
BTW, I had a brainstorm regarding candies. The costs can be per dose but during crafting you can specify how many doses per candy (up to a max of 100 doses). Thus, rather than lots of packs of candy, you can carry just one large pack of candy. Further, you can combine candies of the same type into one pack (max 100 doses).
definitely like the combining idea. Better than having to sift through 100+ lines of items that all match the 'candy' verb.
Kiss of the Enchantress hisses eerily, "Let them fear, and despair."
Did we ever confirm if fruitpizzazz was all vitals or just health? That might shift it up to a medium.
For a resin-like herb, whatever makes dragonsblood is bound to produce resin, since dragonsblood is a powdered resin (and one source of the cinnabar tint, actually), and I still like fish for a wax source, but am not going to get too upset either way.
Yes. Fruitpizzazz is 1/6th of a health blessing. No other vitals. It was the old (G)argleblaster that boosted ego and mana by way of boosting charisma and intelligence.
Also, Dragonsblood is made from spices, but I already had spices elsewhere so I didn't want more of em. Spices honestly really work for anything though.
Everyone is a genius. But if you judge a fish on its ability to climb a tree, it will live its whole life believing that it is stupid.
No offense meant, but 100 sugar or spice per candy is absolutely ridiculous when you take into account that the ONLY avenues for gaining them are failed alchemisations and from presents/the wheel. At least the other commodities (sage/rosehips/milk/vegetables) are readily available (and in ridiculous quantities, taking into account that most cities/communes have in excess of 50,000 of them stockpiled)
Kiss of the Enchantress hisses eerily, "Let them fear, and despair."
Unable to withstand more punishment, a huge forest wraith collapses and dies. You have slain a huge forest wraith. You collect 5 aethergoop! A huge divine cookie tumbles out of the corpse of a huge forest wraith.
Yay, I'm on my way to artifact heaven!
Everiine said: The reason population is low isn't because there are too many orgs. It's because so many facets of the game are outright broken and protected by those who benefit from it being that way. An overabundance of gimmicks (including game-breaking ones), artifacts that destroy any concept of balance, blatant pay-to-win features, and an obsession with convenience that makes few things actually worthwhile all contribute to the game's sad decline.
This is well thought out and works on multiple levels, stopping bloat, draining comms (even some of the dross - I can see alchemists will be mixing salt/sulfur just for sugar if @Sakaki is right about its scarcity), and replacing a existing freebies with player-made items.
This is definitely a step in the right direction. Thanks!
Salt and sulfur are also a result of failed professions (jewellery, I forgot that sulfur came from there too) so maybe not magic salt so much. Quite frankly, I may try to find a partner-in-crime willing to grab up herbs/comms to mix bromides to sell and sugar to keep, if I can get my paws on a shop in which to offer them. It's becoming tempting though...
Momma Esty, could you look into adding ways to gain Aethergoop to HELP AETHERGOOP? Maybe even about caps/limits, and how much certain actions may net you, like urtraps?
Everiine said: The reason population is low isn't because there are too many orgs. It's because so many facets of the game are outright broken and protected by those who benefit from it being that way. An overabundance of gimmicks (including game-breaking ones), artifacts that destroy any concept of balance, blatant pay-to-win features, and an obsession with convenience that makes few things actually worthwhile all contribute to the game's sad decline.
Why can't candies be sold? I'd have happily bought some of the hundreds you all have, but I never saw any for sale.
There used to be plenty of adverts from people selling them (see ADS in-game), but no one was buying, even at 1 credit per, which is not unreasonable to ask.
I'll buy them! I bet with the influx of MKO people, the demand has risen.
Going through the presents, the goop amounts might need a bit of tweaking, they are substantially lower than the other rewards at lower tiers.
Standard presents give 50-100 goop: Value: 2.5-5 credits. Other possible prizes: average 15 credits/dingbats. Superior presents give 200-500 goop: Value: 10-25 credits. In comparison, other possible prizes are worth 25-75 credits. Exceptional presents give 1000-3000 goop: Value: 50-150 credits. In comparison, other prices are worth 150+ credits.
While I don't think it is necessarily require to have the goop outright match the current gift pool, the amounts could use some tweaking, possibly as follows:
These numbers are still at the lower end of the scale, but make them feel more comparable to existing presents - with the current values, they could be perceived as an overall nerf to presents that are sub-ultimate.
Kiss of the Enchantress hisses eerily, "Let them fear, and despair."
I may have missed it in the three threads that have come with the Goldflation issue, but what is the overall end goal of addressing the problem? Is it to make gold more valuable in relation to credits, so as to lower the overall price of the latter (and thus make it more accessible for newer players)?
I see that, across IRE, gold production is being addressed by the admins. Achaea has put in brakes on its credit market and has also implemented diminishing returns on gold production. Imperian is selling items that have temporary buffs for gold (artifacts-for-rent, in essence). The player bases, however, seem to have different ideas on why the problem needs to be addressed, and thus there are different solutions to address it. I wonder what Lusternia looks to solve exactly.
Okay, just to clarify- Is it just the gold and commodity production on the genies and maps that have been replaced with goop, and you can still get tonics/presents/coins/lips from the genies and coins from the maps?
Well, seeing as I just got a coin from my map, that answers that.
I'm Lucidian. If I don't get pedantic every so often, I might explode.
I may have missed it in the three threads that have come with the Goldflation issue, but what is the overall end goal of addressing the problem? Is it to make gold more valuable in relation to credits, so as to lower the overall price of the latter (and thus make it more accessible for newer players)?
I see that, across IRE, gold production is being addressed by the admins. Achaea has put in brakes on its credit market and has also implemented diminishing returns on gold production. Imperian is selling items that have temporary buffs for gold (artifacts-for-rent, in essence). The player bases, however, seem to have different ideas on why the problem needs to be addressed, and thus there are different solutions to address it. I wonder what Lusternia looks to solve exactly.
Lack of things to spend gold on and a glut of commodities that makes scarcity nonexistent.
Everyone is a genius. But if you judge a fish on its ability to climb a tree, it will live its whole life believing that it is stupid.
No offense meant, but 100 sugar or spice per candy is absolutely ridiculous when you take into account that the ONLY avenues for gaining them are failed alchemisations and from presents/the wheel. At least the other commodities (sage/rosehips/milk/vegetables) are readily available (and in ridiculous quantities, taking into account that most cities/communes have in excess of 50,000 of them stockpiled)
Eh... Spices are (or at least were) completely worthless before this change. I'm currently sitting on a stash of 135k spices that I've just dumped and forgotten. Quite frankly, there will likely never be a shortage of spices, since they come up while harvesting all the time, and you get 1-10 spices every time it pops up. Sugar might become a little more scarce, although at a cap of 50 aethergoop per day per person, I can't really say I think there'll be a massive amount of candies produced.
No offense meant, but 100 sugar or spice per candy is absolutely ridiculous when you take into account that the ONLY avenues for gaining them are failed alchemisations and from presents/the wheel. At least the other commodities (sage/rosehips/milk/vegetables) are readily available (and in ridiculous quantities, taking into account that most cities/communes have in excess of 50,000 of them stockpiled)
Eh... Spices are (or at least were) completely worthless before this change. I'm currently sitting on a stash of 135k spices that I've just dumped and forgotten. Quite frankly, there will likely never be a shortage of spices, since they come up while harvesting all the time, and you get 1-10 spices every time it pops up. Sugar might become a little more scarce, although at a cap of 50 aethergoop per day per person, I can't really say I think there'll be a massive amount of candies produced.
The cap only applies to genies/maps/Ur'traps. You can still get substantial goop from wheel spins or presents. I saw someone get almost 4,000 goop just from 5 presents. Granted you won't see as frequent influxes, but you will start seeing spikes each time a present-related or coin-related promo pops up.
Kiss of the Enchantress hisses eerily, "Let them fear, and despair."
Oh, right, I forgot about presents (although I think they'll be less popular with this change, considering the rather severe nerf in value). Still, we're looking at the equivalent of ten credits for the expensive candies, and four for even the small ones, so I'm far from convinced that candies will be a big item.
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Leave waxlips but potentially make them stackable to 100% exp gain?
That removes 1) the inconsistencies in quality and 2) the ability to stack them.
BTW, I had a brainstorm regarding candies. The costs can be per dose but during crafting you can specify how many doses per candy (up to a max of 100 doses). Thus, rather than lots of packs of candy, you can carry just one large pack of candy. Further, you can combine candies of the same type into one pack (max 100 doses).
What about removing of fruitpizzazz and goldentonics so there isn't the same overlap?
Small buff:
- Fruitpizzazz - 1/6 health buff (60 minutes) current costs: 20 goop, 1000 gold, 20 fruit
- Mint - Influence damage bonus (60 minutes) current costs 20 goop, 1000 gold, 20 sage
- Gumball - Chance of sheld vs. denizens (60 minutes) current costs 20 goop, 1000 gold, 20 rosehips (can't think of any resin-like herbs)
- Fireball - Chance of firebreath vs. denizens (60 minutes) current costs 20 goop, 1000 gold, 20 spices
- Rockcandy - Moderate rooting bonus (60 minutes) current costs 20 goop, 1000 gold, 20 sugar
- Waxlips - 25% xp buff (60 minutes) current costs 20 goop, 1000 gold, 20 vegetables
Medium buff:- Kiwipunch - Increases critical hits (60 minutes) current costs: 40 goop, 5000 gold, 50 fruit
- Argleblaster - 2/10 universal buff (60 minutes) current costs: 40 goop, 5000 gold, 50 fruit
- Redlollipop - 5/5 balance buff (1 minute) current costs 40 goop, 5000 gold, 50 sugar
- Bluelollipop - 5/5 equil buff (1 minute) current costs 40 goop, 5000 gold, 50 sugar
Large buff:For a resin-like herb, whatever makes dragonsblood is bound to produce resin, since dragonsblood is a powdered resin (and one source of the cinnabar tint, actually), and I still like fish for a wax source, but am not going to get too upset either way.
Also, Dragonsblood is made from spices, but I already had spices elsewhere so I didn't want more of em. Spices honestly really work for anything though.
You have slain a huge forest wraith.
You collect 5 aethergoop!
A huge divine cookie tumbles out of the corpse of a huge forest wraith.
Yay, I'm on my way to artifact heaven!
This is definitely a step in the right direction. Thanks!
Vive l'apostrophe!
Standard presents give 50-100 goop: Value: 2.5-5 credits. Other possible prizes: average 15 credits/dingbats.
Superior presents give 200-500 goop: Value: 10-25 credits. In comparison, other possible prizes are worth 25-75 credits.
Exceptional presents give 1000-3000 goop: Value: 50-150 credits. In comparison, other prices are worth 150+ credits.
While I don't think it is necessarily require to have the goop outright match the current gift pool, the amounts could use some tweaking, possibly as follows:
Standard: 150-250 goop?
Superior: 1000-1300 goop?
Exceptional: 2500-3500 goop?
These numbers are still at the lower end of the scale, but make them feel more comparable to existing presents - with the current values, they could be perceived as an overall nerf to presents that are sub-ultimate.
I see that, across IRE, gold production is being addressed by the admins. Achaea has put in brakes on its credit market and has also implemented diminishing returns on gold production. Imperian is selling items that have temporary buffs for gold (artifacts-for-rent, in essence). The player bases, however, seem to have different ideas on why the problem needs to be addressed, and thus there are different solutions to address it. I wonder what Lusternia looks to solve exactly.
Well, seeing as I just got a coin from my map, that answers that.