With Sylandra having said that alliances and laws of succession will have an impact on powers, I do not think that we are dealing with a cult, as balance wise it would be very tricky.
But we know that we have at least three main factions, French (town), Scottish (allied with town, but potentially having their own win condition), English (mafia), and then potentially outsiders. The only scenario I can see with some cult justification is if the Scottish alliance with France falls through the Dauphin dying. Then Mary and the other Scots win by outnumbering the remaining French/English, and in which case Mary herself would likely become the cult leader.
I've explained why I used my power above, and can't say much more to make you believe me. But once more, it's an awkward power that doesn't really help town who are reliant on lynches to win. I was not going to use it on Day 1, and it was only the fact that no one died in Night 1 that we had a scenario where I could use it to extract information from an aggressive player who was looking like a lunatic, without scuppering town's chances.
As for where I am now, like Ssaliss I can believe Tekora is who he says, but some questions still surround his allegiance. I'm not sure if you @Kiradawea are simply overthinking things, or trying to sow confusion through non-committal talk of Jesters/cults etc.
Except this is, simply put, false. You could at any point have proven your Governor power at the end of a day by taking a random person in under your protection. But okay, I'll believe you for now if you say that your motivation was to extract information from Tekora. It still feels staged, but now you did mention something that I can't let pass.
How do you know that the scots are a faction unto themselves?
Everyone is a genius. But if you judge a fish on its ability to climb a tree, it will live its whole life believing that it is stupid.
What is 'simply put, false'? Why would I prove my governor power by stopping a lynch at the end of a day when as I have pointed out, it is an awkward role that can backfire badly on town... Instead I feel like I used it to good effect by extracting verifiable information from Tekora.
As for how do I know Scots are a faction, just go back and read the flavour post opening the game which specifically mentions masked French, Scots and others. You really do seem to just want to confuse what has been the clearest piece of information learned today, that I am a verified governor, and for that I'm going to
Vote Kiradawea.
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What is 'simply put, false'? Why would I prove my governor power by stopping a lynch at the end of a day when as I have pointed out, it is an awkward role that can backfire badly on town... Instead I feel like I used it to good effect by extracting verifiable information from Tekora.
As for how do I know Scots are a faction, just go back and read the flavour post opening the game which specifically mentions masked French, Scots and others. You really do seem to just want to confuse what has been the clearest piece of information learned today, that I am a verified governor, and for that I'm going to
Vote Kiradawea.
Hardly. I'm trying to clarify "why" you felt it prudent to show off your governor power. As I said, you could at any point use the power on anyone to prove that you have the power. You could've waited until Chirbo is one vote away from being lynched, declared your power on anyone but Chirbo, voted for him, and we'd proceed to the night with the knowledge that you're the governor. And that's just one example of how you could've shown off that you're a governor without hurting town.
Furthermore, I have read the same intropost as you, and that intropost sets up a conflict between the Protestants and the Caths (notice the coloured names). Yes, there are people here of Scottish, French, and possibly even English nationality, but the intropost describes faith as the primary source of conflict.
Yet you pull up nationality, trying to paint the Scottish as their own faction distinct from the French. That rightfully makes me incredibly suspicious about your motives.
Everyone is a genius. But if you judge a fish on its ability to climb a tree, it will live its whole life believing that it is stupid.
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Cyndarinused Flamethrower! It was super effective.
Based on my role message, I would say religion and nationality are both possible faction possibilities. It also makes sense that nationality would be a point of contention in a historical context. Faith and nationality are very much interwoven.
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Cyndarinused Flamethrower! It was super effective.
If your whole justification for why I'm suspicious is that I'm "showing off" my governor power, then I don't know what to say... but people value different roles differently, and I've explained my reasons for early use of my power.
But you're now also scrambling to present Catholics vs. Protestant as the primary source of conflict. I agree religion may be relevant, but since it was Scotland which had both Protestant/Catholic groups, and not staunchly catholic France I think it is perhaps more likely that the Catholic/Protestant division may become relevant only if Mary's alliance with France falls.
Denying the importance of such national alliances has made me 90% convinced me that you are scum.
I'm not denying that nationality is important. But I am asking you why YOU put nationality above faith, when the intropost puts faith above nationality.
Everyone is a genius. But if you judge a fish on its ability to climb a tree, it will live its whole life believing that it is stupid.
If it's going based on nationality, Scottish is probably not a faction because House of Valois tried to merge the Scottish and French throne already, and the marriage to Mary was to try and get a claim on England. The third faction would probably be Italians via the de Medici family over a Scots faction. I haven't seen the show but that is what I assume based upon history. Scotland is more or less a tool to use against England, not a faction craving power.
2014/04/19 01:38:01 - Leolamins drained 2000000 power to raise Silvanus as a Vernal Ascendant.
2014/07/23 05:01:29 - Silvanus drained 2000000 power to raise Munsia as a Vernal Ascendant.
2015/05/24 06:03:07 - Silvanus drained 2000000 power to raise Arimisia as a Vernal Ascendant.
2015/05/24 06:03:58 - Silvanus drained 2000000 power to raise Lavinya as a Vernal Ascendant.
I'm just saying we wasted 6 votes. I really think Tek might be a baddie or maybe Kira.
why are you wasting a day phase on me
Except you wasted your power instead of defending yourself, continue to not defend yourself, instead posting nonsense or trying to deflect onto others, and are just playing weird and nonsensically. There's not a lot to assume that you're not some flavor of scum. You're also not making any arguments as to why Tek or Kira are scum in your opinion. You're just trying to bandwagon.
I'm still unsure about Tekora and her claim, I came out about being jailed because it appeared a blatant lie which is usually the saviour of the scummy. HOWEVER now I have some caffeine in my body, I'm still wary but perhaps it was more a wrong presumption on her part.
As I mentioned - I was escorted by guards and locked into a dungeon until morning. If that's not being jailed then I don't know what is!
I'm sorry @Chirbo but you are behaving erratically and dangerously.
Chirbo you must be some sort of jester or something that wants to get lynched. If there is anyone pro-town who can kill at night they should really save it for you.
Chirbo you must be some sort of jester or something that wants to get lynched. If there is anyone pro-town who can kill at night they should really save it for you.
I should note for historical purposes that this Mafia game takes place right before the height of the religious wars in France, mainly the Huguenot era, which started open hostilities after the Massacre of Wassy, when a catholic Duke of House Guise openly killed Huguenot worshippers after Catherine de Medici (the Queen of France, King Henry's wife and Regent after his death) called for the Edict of January which called for a middle ground between opposing forces.
The trouble was, the Kingdom delayed in ratifying the Edict, and the Massacre went unpunished because of the delay, which sparked the rebellion and led to Catherine de Medici's famous phrase: A king, a law, a faith, thus dooming the Hughuenots to 80 more years of prosecution. Chirbo being protestant does not exclude him from being loyal to France.
All of this takes place shortly after King Henry dies (and his weak son King Francis, married to Queen Mary of Scotland, dies). Of course, a section of Huguenots also try and kidnap King Francis too.
It seems odd that Chirbo would claim to be not Catholic but loyal to France when the only information we have is a little knowledge beyond our own roles. Chirbo has acted very strangely and I can be convinced to lynch to find more information (and take the risk of a jester) or taking our chance with vigkilling at night, or having the jailer that jailed Lavinya (or Tekora) jail Chirbo.
I should also note, that historically, King Henry was not very fond of the Huguenots, so Chirbo's claim is pretty bold, but it was a movement that was less than 20 years old during his reign and generally any dissent is looked down upon by a ruling class.
2014/04/19 01:38:01 - Leolamins drained 2000000 power to raise Silvanus as a Vernal Ascendant.
2014/07/23 05:01:29 - Silvanus drained 2000000 power to raise Munsia as a Vernal Ascendant.
2015/05/24 06:03:07 - Silvanus drained 2000000 power to raise Arimisia as a Vernal Ascendant.
2015/05/24 06:03:58 - Silvanus drained 2000000 power to raise Lavinya as a Vernal Ascendant.
I should note for historical purposes that this Mafia game takes place right before the height of the religious wars in France, mainly the Huguenot era, which started open hostilities after the Massacre of Wassy, when a catholic Duke of House Guise openly killed Huguenot worshippers after Catherine de Medici (the Queen of France, King Henry's wife and Regent after his death) called for the Edict of January which called for a middle ground between opposing forces.
God what a terrible run on sentence. I wish I could make edits. This is the price I pay for starting a post at work and finishing it at home.
Basically, it is a confusing time in French politics, and the lines haven't been drawn until King Henry dies, but they were being drawn while he was King. When he dies, there is a huge power vaccuum, and shit hits the fan. If King Henry lived, there may have not been the inner turmoil that France saw, and it is quite possible that the religious wars in France may have been prevented. Being protestant does not mean disloyalty to France.
2014/04/19 01:38:01 - Leolamins drained 2000000 power to raise Silvanus as a Vernal Ascendant.
2014/07/23 05:01:29 - Silvanus drained 2000000 power to raise Munsia as a Vernal Ascendant.
2015/05/24 06:03:07 - Silvanus drained 2000000 power to raise Arimisia as a Vernal Ascendant.
2015/05/24 06:03:58 - Silvanus drained 2000000 power to raise Lavinya as a Vernal Ascendant.
I'm still of the opinion that we should lynch Silvanus on account of being the only one of us caught in a lie that was also part of an OMGUS. Vote's sticking on him.
And of course I'm encouraging to kill, we have non-Catholic people killing us in the night. We need to sort this out Shaddus
This was your post before you voted for Luce. This ultimately frames you in a rather poor light now, as you were likely not intending to reveal at all. Bad form to even joke about such things in these situations.
I'm just saying we wasted 6 votes. I really think Tek might be a baddie or maybe Kira.
why are you wasting a day phase on me
You've not really helped generate discussion so much, and it really shows here. You had a perfect opportunity to go to greater lengths to explain your perspectives. Why not?
Tekora is currently unlynchable for the rest of the dayphase, by Ushaara's official decree.
Luce is unable to vote this dayphase, due to a swollen tongue inflicted upon him by Chirbo.
In the kingdom of France, it currently takes the vote of 8 nobles to lynch a member of the court.
If you count the number of people voting on Chirbo, there are five. But the vote count is six. This might mean that one of the nobles voting counts as two votes. Or it is a typo. Can we get a confirmation on whether the number is correct?
I made a mistake, I owned up to the mistake within two posts. You have to own up to your own lies.
Until you do such a time, you have told lies, I have made a mistake. If you want to explain your reasoning behind your lies so they can be understood as a mistake, I will accept them.
Until then, actually bring some evidence besides the fact that I have called you out consistently, and your only defense is saying "Nuh uh, look at him!"
Here's your lies(or mistakes, if you want to try and explain them):
You voted no lynch after saying you wouldn't
You called out sarcasm as being "so unattractive", to then respond sarcastically to Synkarin
You were not jailed.
Here is my lie(or mistake):
In playing out the scenarios, if you were jailed or roleblocked, I didn't need to be protected. I said you probably tried to vigkill me and I got protected, that's why you failed. But I forgot about the fact that you were jailed or roleblocked, according to your message, and I wouldn't have needed protecting.
I admitted that mistake within 30 minutes of my posting of that mistake. We are going on a near week of your lies.
2014/04/19 01:38:01 - Leolamins drained 2000000 power to raise Silvanus as a Vernal Ascendant.
2014/07/23 05:01:29 - Silvanus drained 2000000 power to raise Munsia as a Vernal Ascendant.
2015/05/24 06:03:07 - Silvanus drained 2000000 power to raise Arimisia as a Vernal Ascendant.
2015/05/24 06:03:58 - Silvanus drained 2000000 power to raise Lavinya as a Vernal Ascendant.
One thing, before we stare ourselves blind at the actual history of the world, keep in mind that the game isn't set up to be as historically accurate as possible. There are nonhistorical characters involved in the game.
Everyone is a genius. But if you judge a fish on its ability to climb a tree, it will live its whole life believing that it is stupid.
One thing, before we stare ourselves blind at the actual history of the world, keep in mind that the game isn't set up to be as historically accurate as possible. There are nonhistorical characters involved in the game.
I was just trying to look up info on Aloysius Castleroy and it looks like he's exclusively from the show unless I'm blind and missing something, yeah.
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How do you know that the scots are a faction unto themselves?
As for how do I know Scots are a faction, just go back and read the flavour post opening the game which specifically mentions masked French, Scots and others. You really do seem to just want to confuse what has been the clearest piece of information learned today, that I am a verified governor, and for that I'm going to
Vote Kiradawea.
Furthermore, I have read the same intropost as you, and that intropost sets up a conflict between the Protestants and the Caths (notice the coloured names). Yes, there are people here of Scottish, French, and possibly even English nationality, but the intropost describes faith as the primary source of conflict.
Yet you pull up nationality, trying to paint the Scottish as their own faction distinct from the French. That rightfully makes me incredibly suspicious about your motives.
But you're now also scrambling to present Catholics vs. Protestant as the primary source of conflict. I agree religion may be relevant, but since it was Scotland which had both Protestant/Catholic groups, and not staunchly catholic France I think it is perhaps more likely that the Catholic/Protestant division may become relevant only if Mary's alliance with France falls.
Denying the importance of such national alliances has made me 90% convinced me that you are scum.