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Ascension of Deichtine
Wow! This Ascension certainly took an unexpected turn! Let us know your thoughts.
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(I had a lot of fun ambushing sealbearers. It was incredibly frantic.)
If olive oil comes from olives, where does baby oil come from?
If vegetarians eat vegetables, what do humanitarians eat?
Concerns:
- PATH FIND was disabled/did not work, but PATH SHORTEST did in fact work, which I was unaware of that until now. How are we supposed to know one syntax of IG pathing works, but another doesn't? You could get Ghani's true vnum/room via magical map of mystery and then PATH GO to it near instantly. High chance of him moving, but you still get right there in the ballpark. IMO, the lack of being able to map, coordinate, and track via at least some conventional methods detracted from the event in many ways.
- Wonder supremacy. Wonderwand portals and even more impactful Wonderwings Skydive should not have had such an impact.
- More examination of skills to level playing field.
There was no extra pathing code added, and path find/path shortest use the same code with a single boolean difference to disable enemy rooms. The more likely issue was how Pandaemonium is shaped (there's 3 separate sections you get teleported between as you move, and they are not connected directly in a way pathing can make use of) and your timing regarding that.
Edit: @Ianir It may use same code whatever and however, but it was most not good finding out that path find did not work, but the other syntaxes did work. That was a problem, not the area separation.
Let me make it more clear: While standing in v45380 Over innards.
path find 45413
vs
path shortest 45413
That's not some area issue, or timing issue, or any other issue other than pathing yields two different results based on which syntax method was used to search. For next time, all or none, please.
Edit:
Thank you @Ianir
It being a totally new area that wasn't mapped was fairly frustrating to begin with. Especially considering how reliant upon scent go and mudlet mapper I was and I know a lot of other people are.
Some folk just ignored the fight and straight up mapped the place before joining in. Xenthos was able to globe scry the target Ghani to discover his room and with that I could path track 123 shortest to get there. This didn't work for me from the outer rooms, you had to manually walk or teleport back, it only worked from the closer inner area.(Not sure if inner or outer is a good description, Ghani constantly force teleported me to a far away bit where the path track didnt work but if I teleported to ghani then path tracked when I was closer it worked.
Magnagora and Glomdoring stealth monks had a movement advantage in that event due to the Geomancer rubble effects. Stealth agility would let mag/glom be able to chase Ghani quicker than non stealth users. Instant movement effects were strong as well. Tarot empress, wonderhorn 20 from an ally, wonderwings 20 etc.As was anything to slow down the enemy runner but not your own: Pits and windwalls etc worked really well. Acrobatics hyperactivity was very useful in countering some of these pits. I originally started off as psymet thinking I'd be using it to outtank the enemy team with the staff but switched to acrobatics mid fight to get the anti-pit mechanic so I could run through the area with less trouble.
Most people I think were expecting a fight and this style of event isn't suited to that. I made a wrong call at the start in trying to group people up to fight while I ran. Ghani's rad meld and teleportation made it near impossible. Tarken had the right idea in just scattering everyone and not worrying about trying to kill anyone just ignore the fight and focus on the runners and finding Ghani. That gave us a fairly big advantage at the start as it looked like the enemy group tried to stay grouped together which did let them murder me a bunch of times but the death downtime was minimal so I was able to return to the fight and keep scoring points while our enemies were spending their time trying to summon me a bunch. Grouping up and spamming the summon effects wasn't a bad concept, especially with Ghani's rad effect and the recent buff to multi summons but I don't think it was as effective as just scattering and going for mass hinder and confusion. Easy to say in hindsight, much harder to judge at the time though.
Overall it was an interesting event but exceptionally frustrating, especially at the start, there was a ton of scrabbling around testing things to see what worked and didn't work. It really threw people, especially considering most ascensions are heavily per-planned. Most events and things in Lusternia don't have that element of unexpected and unknown to deal with. Almost every other event and contest in the game is something people have pre planned, set up pre existing triggers, etc. That this was totally new; new area, new mechanics, etc took a lot of getting used to and forced everyone in it out of the normal comfort zone.
As a personal view on the enjoyment of the event itself: it was entertaining, frustrating and very very stressful.
I'm not sure how enjoyable it was for the non runners. You had @Xenthos basically being a scry bot, so he can comment on that. The lack of mudlet map just threw a lot of people who are reliant on it I know that stressed some folks out to the point of them feeling like they couldn't do anything to help, which isnt great because we want everts that everyone can feel part of, some had no knowledge of mapping, no way to know whats about etc which leaves them struggling. But then you had other people just running about like madmad screwing with the enemies seeming to have fun. I'm not going to speak for anyone else in that regards they can comment themselves if they loved it or hated it.
To the concept overall I think the newness and the frustrations of the map took a fair bit of from it for some people. Its a nice event overall, could do with some tweaks but I think that I would enjoy this event much much more the second time I do it, than the first time its done. Now that we all know what works and doesnt work and everyone can have a working map. I cant state how much not having a map for a while killed some peoples heads.Edit: Also, if not scrying, I would have been CROW TRACK spamming. Someone can actually follow me when I crow track, and can enter the command to land;attack on the same balance. Probably would have been even better, looking back on it.
If olive oil comes from olives, where does baby oil come from?
If vegetarians eat vegetables, what do humanitarians eat?
If olive oil comes from olives, where does baby oil come from?
If vegetarians eat vegetables, what do humanitarians eat?
Edit: The thing that struck me the moment it was announced, and that I thought was awesome (and still do) is this: ALL sealbearers get to participate and work on accruing points, it is not cutting anyone out based on alliances or anything like that. Made the whole thing an entirely different game, which was very cool for me to see.
I have some envy of that honours line, though!