Why are breasts considered so horrible in Lusternia? And am I in the wrong for giving my girl tatas?

Kittie

I have been informed that if I do not take breasts out of my character's description I may not be allowed to be promoted in my city/guild, and may even be kicked out! I do not view them as that big of a deal, and the context they are used in is not lewd- at least not to me. I use 'slightly above average' or 'pert' when describing them in order to lower any chance of me being lewd. Apparently, describing breasts in any way shape of form is an OUTCRY for MUDsex, which I view to be utter bologna. I do not want MUDsex, however I do not want my girl to be anorexic in looks. I describe her as hourglass-shaped. She is curvy, and I do not use the breasts to be sexual. (I had better wording and much more than this, but my kitty decided to walk across the keyboard and delete everything -.- ) As Kendra says, WHY IS EVERYONE SO AFRAID OF A TEET?? I have modified my description  bit by making it less detailed, and I took out anything about her bum bum, but I refuse to take out her boobs. Am I in the wrong for defending my right to have tatas on my girl?

Xenthos

There is a long-standing tradition in Lusternia of new characters who are created specifically for... certain activities- and they tend to have a very similar (and overtly sexual) cast to their descriptions.

That said, there are plenty of characters who are not created for those activities who do describe their body shape, so it's a bit absurd for a guild to say "You can't be advanced if you look like that" when it's not overflowing with all kinds of shudder-inducing eugh.  (There are a few descriptions that come to mind which I really wish I could forget)  If they are threatening to kick you out, I'm pretty sure you can even ISSUE that if the description is reasonable.

It's tough to tell what exactly they are reacting to without actually seeing the description, though.

Everiine

There have been a LOT of descriptions whose purpose was clearly obvious (remember the dracnari whose main description point was the river of golden milk? Yikes). I think people overreact now, trying to weed those people out. However, unless the description is truly outlandish, that's no excuse to tell someone that they can't be advanced. This sounds like an OOC issue being brought into the game, so I'd ISSUE it and see what the admin say.

Since I can't see your whole description, I can't say if yours is one of those outlandish ones.

Talan

The issue probably arises from the fact that you're describing the breasts explicitly, rather than simply saying you have a buxom or hourglass figure. Consider another example - how would you perceive a male character whose tautly muscled buttocks were deliciously specifically described? What about his bulging manhood? It's not like we're dealing with a double standard or anything here.

In general, everything public in the game needs to be suitable for all audiences. Breasts are sex organs, and calling attention to them clearly makes some people (such as the people who told you they wouldn't advance you) uncomfortable. Is that a societal problem? Possibly, but you have to respect other people's sensibilities. You also need to be mindful of the fact that all sorts of people play Lusternia. Do you really want an adolescent boy reading your description and thinking about your character's breasts? (Woman to woman - you don't.)

Regardless of what you're looking for, writing a description that is remotely sexual in nature will be perceived as a cue to those who are interested in mudsex that you are as well. Unless you're brand new to gaming, this isn't news to you. While I think that threatening to not advance you is kind of silly, changing your description will ultimately prevent a certain amount of unwanted interest or harassment. This is especially true for newbie female characters.

I'd suggest that you dress your character in loose fitting clothing that hides her figure until she is more established in the game. I see that you character is 22, but that still makes her a young woman. Modesty is appropriate.

Kittie

She is a graceful elfen and stands around 5 feet, 8 inches tall, looking to weigh around 160 pounds. Her skin is a pale-white layer surrounding a slightly-curvaceous body, and slightly above-average sized chest and hip regions aide in giving her an hourglass shape. Orange hair is cut short, spiking out messily around her head no more than 3 inches at the most. Streaks of white-blonde break apart the pumpkin-orange of the rest of her hair in random sprouts and emerald-green eyes compliment her bright orange hair, and light brown freckles fleck across her cheeks. Pale-pink lips surrounding a mouth full of pearly-white teeth curl into a gentle smile. 

After I moderated it this last time

Turnus

When I saw this post I thought it said beasts (as in beast mastery - beastmastery stuff is awesome). Clearly I misread on that one!

Shaddus

I think if you're around more and contribute to your commune, people will be less likely to consider you a mudsex alt and more likely to simply be a woman who has curves. A lot of your problem is that you're in Glomdoring, which is more likely to judge you well by what you contribute as opposed to what you look like.

Kio

There are so many dashes.

Gorlois

I blame the moral guardians. That said, it might be that when characters/players look at a person's description, they are looking for things which are relevant to them.a description of a character, I think, should be relevant stuff which will be touched upon later or involved in your roleplay. Being you're a woman, people will assume 100 percent of the time you have breasts already, so adding details to that will make people think, perhaps, 'why did she mention breasts?'. Hands, legs, arms etc are different because they are innocuous things which everyone has. (Gorlois is muscly, monstrous and clearly pumped up on Taint energy, for example, but it reinforces his RP).

Everyone has a valid point however, and you can't please everyone. However your current description you posted last seems fine to me.

(Does anyone have that old quote by a female divine (I think Vira), by the way, where she stated the way a player described 'breasts' indicated the percentage of them being a guy? Just curious, it was a funny one).

Estwald

Talan said:

Breasts are sex organs

Really? I'd say they're more like milk organs.

Talan

Estwald said:

Talan said:

Breasts are sex organs

Really? I'd say they're more like milk organs.

I'm not sure if you are being daft, pedantic, or just setting me up for the pun where I inform you that you're doing it wrong.

Alary

I think you should be fine, elves have titties. Some of the lusternia races, biologically speaking, don't. Dracnari and Kephera for instance. (Hi, I was guilty of dracnari boobs when I first started in 2009. Still need to fix that ...) Anywho, I would say you're fine being an elf and all. Your latest modification looks fine. I always assumed Elves were well-endowed anyway. Hee.

Rialorm

Why would Elfen be well-endowed? Sounds like a fantasy stereotype to me. There is nothing saying they can't be, of course. But it would make just as much sense for them to be flat-chested or average as they are close to human physique in that regard.

Shaddus

Excuse me. How are we going to have golden dragon milk if dracnari don't have boobs?

Shaddus

Talan said:

Estwald said:

Talan said:

Breasts are sex organs

Really? I'd say they're more like milk organs.

I'm not sure if you are being daft, pedantic, or just setting me up for the pun where I inform you that you're doing it wrong.


Estwald has transcendant moobs.

Everiine

Then of course, we have this:

Alary

Rialorm said:

Why would Elfen be well-endowed? Sounds like a fantasy stereotype to me. There is nothing saying they can't be, of course. But it would make just as much sense for them to be flat-chested or average as they are close to human physique in that regard.

Because elves are, in fact, made to be the ultimate beauty. And many class that with large breasts. So. Ergo. That. They're meant to be a nerd's wet dream, that's kind of the point. Elves in general, in older mythos, are, well endowed. They fit the beauty standard of the day. In this day, it's large breasts. Before, it was large, plump, women. So elves were as such. /ramble ramble 

Side note, elven men are also well endowed in general. We see elves now as willowy, thin, and almost frail looking. Because that's the current beauty thing. I could keep going all day, but I won't. I could also find your elf art spanning through the ages. But I won't. /shakes stick at 

Fae too, if we go with that theory. Many other mythical humanoid species. Also, it depends on WHOSE mythos you're looking at. I want to cite my knowledge from germanic, but I get things confused. Oh hi wall of text. /potters off

Edit: It's Nordic. I was close. But. Fertility and nature gods of great beauty. Yeah. That. Hee Mythology /nerds out

Alary

Didn't mean to sound pompous, I was just backing up why I believe elves are the way they are now. I got carried away. I'm waaaay to into mythos. /scurries away

Everiine

That's a lot of interesting rationalization, but has no bearing on elfen of Lusternia. Aside from the little bit we get from the race descriptions and observing race denizens in game, we have a lot of freedom to design our characters the way we want them to be.

Alary

Yeah, I realize that. It's kind of a pointless ramble at this point. Heh. I guess my point should be, it's your character, base it however you want, and don't let people tell you differently. I got ... uh .. some "offers" when I was still in high school on my first character. But I didn't let that stop me, you make your character yours. /snake dracnari lady. /winged dracnari lady. so. Yes. That point. /points above. that's my point. 

Rivius

Turnus said:

When I saw this post I thought it said beasts (as in beast mastery - beastmastery stuff is awesome). Clearly I misread on that one!

Which is weird because usually it's the other way around...

Lerad

I see, so that's what Rivius imagines everytime he gets onto his mount before a fight.