Help with spending these lessons/credits? [skill list included]

Kio

Common Skills         Rank           Pool

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Combat                Transcendent   Melee

Resilience            Inept          Fitness

Discernment           Virtuoso       Intellect

Lowmagic              Gifted         Arcana

Planar                Expert         Mysticism

Discipline            Fabled         Willpower

Environment           Expert         Communion

Influence             Mythical       Magnetism

Dramatics             Apprentice     Performance

Arts                  Inept          Finearts

Beastmastery          Virtuoso       Magnetism

Aethercraft           Capable        Mysticism

Trade Skills          Rank           Pool

-------------         ------------   ------------

Tailoring             Inept          Finearts

Guild Skills          Rank           Pool

-------------         ------------   ------------

Totems                Transcendent   Arcana

    Crow

Nature                Transcendent   Mysticism

    Wyrdenwood

Runes                 Transcendent   Willpower

I have... 156 lessons, 340 credits, 220 bound credits, and 206 dingbats.

Beastmastery for beast spit is *definitely* a contender.  I also wouldn't mind having a RoA and magic damage rune, but I have a feeling investing in skills will be better for now.  That said, any suggestions where to start?

Xenthos

Beastmastery for Bodyguard should be a higher priority than spit, I'd think.  Bodyguard is one of those truly lovely abilities, and it has the side benefit of getting you very close to spit if you want to finish that up at a later time.

Mountaineering in Environment is a "must" eventually, if you ever want to get into questing; a number of the new quests especially require mountain climbing, but a few of the old ones do as well.

The +magic damage arties are great, as is the shield rune artifact.  Rune of Absorption is also nice but it only protects against physical so your mileage with it may vary.

Cyndarin

Yes it does. You get double dmp from proofings.

For the combat oriented tree man:

Trans tailoring then trand resilience then trans discipline then trans low magic.

 

 That is my advice.

Akyaevin

Splendours provide more. See here:

Splendours only:

Viynain's aura of weapons rebounding disappears.

Viynain points his staff at you, and the burning ball at its tip flares and shoots a stream of liquid fire that blasts you, scorching your flesh.

3154h, 6663m, 6360e, 10p, 20600en, 26660w esSilrxk<>- (XBHSPFA) {7.6005} -1428

Coat only:

Viynain's aura of weapons rebounding disappears.

Viynain points his staff at you, and the burning ball at its tip flares and shoots a stream of liquid fire that blasts you, scorching your flesh.

3055h, 6663m, 6360e, 10p, 20600en, 26660w esSilrxk<>- (XBHSPFA) {38.1188} -1527

Naked:

Viynain's aura of weapons rebounding disappears.

Your masochistic tendencies go into remission.

Viynain points his staff at you, and the burning ball at its tip flares and shoots a stream of liquid fire that blasts you, scorching your flesh.

You twist toward Viynain, one of your rusted spikes throwing him off balance.

Your cranial implant flares, a thin crackle of energy igniting the fumes surrounding you in tiny flashes on its way to strike Viynain.

3003h, 6663m, 6360e, 10p, 20600en, 26660w esSilrxk<>- (XBHSPFA) {93.3375} -1579

Unproofed robes:

Viynain's aura of weapons rebounding disappears.

Viynain points his staff at you, and the burning ball at its tip flares and shoots a stream of liquid fire that blasts you, scorching your flesh.

3003h, 6663m, 6360e, 10p, 20600en, 26660w esSilrxk<>- (XBHSPFA) {5.8821} -1579

Proofed robes:

Viynain points his staff at you, and the burning ball at its tip flares and shoots a stream of liquid fire that blasts you, scorching your flesh.

3055h, 6663m, 6360e, 10p, 20600en, 26660w esSilrxk<>- (XBHSPFA) {4.9584} -1527

Kio

What of Discipline and Resilience?  Should I learn those before investing into the artifacts?

Lerad

For combat, discipline is pretty important, since it passively affects both power regeneration as well as focus body time. Spending more than 1s on focusing paralysis is going to make you a lot less competitive against those who can. Resilience is great for the poison resistance, which helps screw over warriors (and monks to a lesser extent) that much more. It won't make you immune by any means, but it's a whole lot better than inept resilience.

Generally speaking, discipline > artifacts/resilience. Depending on who you usually fight, and what your archetype is, some artifacts might be more important than resilience.

Kio

Which will give better dmp overall: Trans resilience or Trans tailoring? I assume Tailoring, but I just wanna make sure.

Enyalida

Getting trans tailoring does absolutely nothing to boost your dmp.

Eldanien

Enyalida said:

Getting trans tailoring does absolutely nothing to boost your dmp.

Double strength on the four proofs (DMP), and higher cutting/blunt armour (not DMP, but still serves same purpose).  Unless something has changed that I missed, which is quite possible.

Inept to Trans Resilience gives 12 physical DMP, 15? % poison shrugging.  Same caveat as above.

Ciaran

Celina said:

Yes it does. You get double dmp from proofings.

For the combat oriented tree man:

Trans tailoring then trand resilience then trans discipline then trans low magic.

 

 That is my advice.

Discipline first for focus times, the rest is fine.

Cyndarin

He's already fabled discipline. He'll get way more out of splendours and resilience than the last couple ranks of discipline IMO.

Enyalida

Is that true? Absolutely every time I've asked about splendours, something was mumbled about proofings and it turned out you don't actually get any extra (including when talking about it with admins looking at the code). Including when I just talked to a trans tailor wearing proofed splendours, right now. They reported only getting 10 dmp from their fireproofing, and provided a log to that effect: http://pastebin.com/xKYzFv81. Trans tailoring with splendours on that have fireproof. Where is this double dmp proofings thing coming from?

EDIT: They checked the other types too, same.

Eldanien

Might be worth bugging.  It had been bugged (and fixed) in the dim dark beginnings of Lusternia for not working right.

Have you the wherewithal to do a damage test?

Without proofs, with a basic coat or cloak proof, then with splendours?

edit: A couple of years ago when gorgogs hit the scene, I did a damage test for fireproofing like this and the doubling for splendours proved itself in the damage I took.  That's not to say something hasn't been inadvertently broken since then.  Or, perhaps it's just not being caught and calculated correctly in bodyscan.

Cyndarin

Because that's how it's always been?

 

Splendours gave 20 dmp. Regular proofings gave 10. If that's changed, then it was a surprise change "bug" change. Wouldn't be the first time.

Eventru

I just looked in the code, splendours don't appear to give any DMP change. It's a flat 10 DMP, and I'm pretty sure it's always been this way. Instead, splendours have had the option of 4 proofings instead of 2, if I do recall.

Cyndarin

About 98% certain it gave 20 dmp when I first got them. I'll check my dmp when I get home.

Eldanien

This is bizarro. I have a hard time believing Celina and I both imagined up that detail. Having all four proofs in one item wouldn't have meant anything, given that even greatrobes granted two + coat + cloak for four proofs.

That is to say, Eldanien still has trans Tailoring flexed out from before Tattoos came about. If the only combat perk of Splendours was moderate armour boost and dismissable prestige boost, I would have put Eldanien in greatrobes and transed Herbs instead.

Eldanien

Thank you @Akyaevin for the log.  I was going nuts trying to figure out if I confused the DMP issue with something else, and was going to run that test myself just for the peace of mind.

That said, @Kio, the difference is small enough that you should consider how much the armour difference between splendours and greatrobes will factor into your survival, and weigh that against faster herb balance and stronger sparkleberry effect from trans Herbs.

Kio

Eldanien said:

Thank you @Akyaevin for the log.  I was going nuts trying to figure out if I confused the DMP issue with something else, and was going to run that test myself just for the peace of mind.

That said, @Kio, the difference is small enough that you should consider how much the armour difference between splendours and greatrobes will factor into your survival, and weigh that against faster herb balance and stronger sparkleberry effect from trans Herbs.

Level 3 malus to fire is a scary thing.

Eldanien

I bet.  But stronger Sparkleberry is effectively more tankiness to every damage source, including fire.  Given that DMP scales down the more you have, the difference between all your defs + Splendours and all your defs + Greatrobes might not mean much when it comes to fire damage.

Kio

How much of the increase is having Herbs?  Also, I thought it only affected your herb balance recovery speed?