Name a more iconic class duo

Yarith

https://ada-young.appspot.com/pastebin/-ECWz_Uu

Cyndarin

PLAY OCTAVE TACET

(Unless this doesn't work on your own octave, I don't think I ever tried)

Yarith

I mean, that's what I did when I walked into Mrak's room to save him except it didn't work.

I don't think there's any music spec with as considerable synergy when you consider NSB/Bloodycaps/Haegl/Manabarbs.

Maybe I should have used the balances to fugue, but that's not what I'm trying to demonstrate.

Cyndarin

Tarken gave you all four aurics and you died to DCC. You shielded against a bard, which was removed by Tarken's blanknote. You tried to leap out of pfifth and sat in octave outnumbered. Tyamit may as well have not been there. 

For the sake of the thread, based on your reaction to pfifth, 2 bards would've deathsonged you even quicker. 

Yarith

Okay, so tell me what is, in any form, comparable to those noose attacks with tritone? :S

I only died to DCC Because of the prior pressure. In case you don't know, the difference between DCC in and out of your own octave is considerable.

Cyndarin

Don't autoclot yourself into oblivion with manabarbs? Use sparkleberry? Don't sip mana at below 50% health when there isn't a mana killer present? 

Haegl/noose may very well need to be nerfed, but your curing and bad response to pfifth is what killed you. Not a great log.

edit: For reference, you clotted away 2430 health away, and sipped mana at 63% mana and 49% health. You sip for just under 2k. Health at time of death was 5261. So 5261+2430+2000 = 9600 health, not including the sparkleberry you didn't use. So if you're saying DCC wouldn't have killed you otherwise, it appears to have been avoidable with some adjustments to your curing.

Yarith

The point of my log was to demonstrate the potential of WW/Harbinger. To claim that the ww noose + haegl  sections aren't reproducible is a little iffy, so it's a good thing you haven't done that and instead agree that they most likely need to be nerfed. Of course, the cleaner fix, I believe, is NSB + Noose.

Yeah, I can adjust my elixirqueue with SSC, and I need to prepend truehearing to my escape aliases. I'm still trying to catch up to all my other aliases and triggers since I lost all the data on my PC. The intent of this was to show an effective ceiling of WW/HB which I don't think is achievable by sibling comparisons. 

Also Tarken helped me with making my aurics faster, so that's great too.
(Also you didn't point out 'EVENT GREATPENTAGRAM' which I may or may not have miswrote during the recent seal challenge)

Deichtine

Dchords pretty deadly, if a bard can cast that on you you are basically dead. Best thing to do is to leave the room cure the aurics and then come back.

Even with max resistances against it any bards dchord and m6's afterwards is enough to kill me in the stun, never mind any group support or pressure. Just think of dchord as an instant kill, ok its technically not an instant kill, but treat it like one and always dodge it by leaving the room/curing/returning.

Shaddus

Also, learn to captivate yourself when an enemy bard blanknotes you. Bard v Bard, this can make all the difference.

Edit: Not only that, but I didn't see your song tic once during that whole short battle. You obviously had it up when it dropped at the end, but the passives could have helped you somewhat. Did you actually have anything imbued into it?

Tremula

If he had the song sustained then it would have dropped on death, too - after I flex out of hard my song always drops on my first death.

Shaddus

Tremula said:

If he had the song sustained then it would have dropped on death, too - after I flex out of hard my song always drops on my first death.

That's true. 

Maligorn

Cyndarin said:

PLAY OCTAVE TACET

(Unless this doesn't work on your own octave, I don't think I ever tried)

It's the first Bardmania cycle of 2018 rn, where everyone goes bard because it's so deadly - then everyone has access to PLAY OCTAVE TACET and Fugue and nobody has fun anymore so they go back to their original classes.

Yarith

(Also all of y'all gave terrible advice regarding what to do correctly. The correct counterplay was 100% convergence (which was why I was raising gpent))

Cyndarin

It worked so well.

Yarith

Yeah, if I didn't fumble my alias for gpent then panic. 

Hiriako

Maligorn said:

Cyndarin said:

PLAY OCTAVE TACET

(Unless this doesn't work on your own octave, I don't think I ever tried)

It's the first Bardmania cycle of 2018 rn, where everyone goes bard because it's so deadly - then everyone has access to PLAY OCTAVE TACET and Fugue and nobody has fun anymore so they go back to their original classes.

Unpopular opinion of the day: Bards, yecch!

Tarken

Maligorn said:

Cyndarin said:

PLAY OCTAVE TACET

(Unless this doesn't work on your own octave, I don't think I ever tried)

It's the first Bardmania cycle of 2018 rn, where everyone goes bard because it's so deadly - then everyone has access to PLAY OCTAVE TACET and Fugue and nobody has fun anymore so they go back to their original classes.

I went bard because Glom needs a bard. Every forest cult should have one.

Deichtine

Maligorn said:

Cyndarin said:

PLAY OCTAVE TACET

(Unless this doesn't work on your own octave, I don't think I ever tried)

It's the first Bardmania cycle of 2018 rn, where everyone goes bard because it's so deadly - then everyone has access to PLAY OCTAVE TACET and Fugue and nobody has fun anymore so they go back to their original classes.

Ha this is funny because its true

Shaddus

Yarith said:

Yeah, if I didn't fumble my alias for gpent then panic. 

 Yarith said:

(Also all of y'all gave terrible advice regarding what to do correctly. The correct counterplay was 100% convergence (which was why I was raising gpent))

I'm confused. You wanted to spend ten power to raise gpent, knowing you were probably under powerspikes, then use a skill to move yourself away from the room while under p5 which cost another 5 power, and (unless I'm mistaken), only works while you're asleep?

Moi

New!Convergence irresistibly sends a single target to a random room in the area for 2p. Which is way more plausible than Old!Convergence in this situation. I'll update the wiki (and fix all of the broken tags @Enyalida >_>) in a little bit.

E: For what it's worth, I agree that GPent+Convergence was indeed your best play, Yarith. Bard is not the class to 2v1 with and the Mountains of Madness are a great place to area fling people. But doing it in an octave while you're being set up for DCC isn't the right time for implement that plan. Self-captivatation followed by rolling away to cure would have saved you and then you could have done the Convergence play.

Deichtine

Great pent costs 10 power. @Moi He didn't have ten power to cast it at any point in the log. Could have refreshed but then wouldn't have the power to converge. Plus powerspikes would have done 80% of his health as damage and probally killed him.

Yarith

( I could have also gone the other way, of course)

Deichtine

The correct response to 99% of things that can kill you is spam somersault/roll

Moi

Veyils said:

Great pent costs 10 power. @Moi He didn't have ten power to cast it at any point in the log. Could have refreshed but then wouldn't have the power to converge. Plus powerspikes would have done 80% of his health as damage and probally killed him.

Yeah, like I said: good idea, but not the right time for it.