Twelve Year Anniversary Events - Timezones, Civil Discussion, and Whatnot

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  • Perhaps it's because I'm viewing it on my phone but I cannot figure out the times from the linkses 
  • ShaddusShaddus , the Leper Messiah Outside your window.
    Shaddus said:
    I hate to be that greedy bugger that you already know I am, but I haven't heard anything about Ironbeard, gnomes, the Czigany Wayfaire, or any other things besides this list. Is this the summation of our anniversary?
    Bump.
    Everiine said: The reason population is low isn't because there are too many orgs. It's because so many facets of the game are outright broken and protected by those who benefit from it being that way. An overabundance of gimmicks (including game-breaking ones), artifacts that destroy any concept of balance, blatant pay-to-win features, and an obsession with convenience that makes few things actually worthwhile all contribute to the game's sad decline.
  • Shaddus said:
    Shaddus said:
    I hate to be that greedy bugger that you already know I am, but I haven't heard anything about Ironbeard, gnomes, the Czigany Wayfaire, or any other things besides this list. Is this the summation of our anniversary?
    Bump.


    I must admit to being very curious about this as well. I was hoping to get one of the special mounts soon! :hushed:
  • ShaddusShaddus , the Leper Messiah Outside your window.
    Weiwae said:
    There will be a new shiny mount. But I can't say much more than that.
    All I was looking for was Czigany confirmation, but this works <3
    Everiine said: The reason population is low isn't because there are too many orgs. It's because so many facets of the game are outright broken and protected by those who benefit from it being that way. An overabundance of gimmicks (including game-breaking ones), artifacts that destroy any concept of balance, blatant pay-to-win features, and an obsession with convenience that makes few things actually worthwhile all contribute to the game's sad decline.
  • By that, he means you'll be riding a lightning bolt when he zaps ya for asking.
  • LuceLuce Fox Populi
    No, no. Aeromancers already have Thunderbirds.
  • ShaddusShaddus , the Leper Messiah Outside your window.
    Breandryn said:
    By that, he means you'll be riding a lightning bolt when he zaps ya for asking.
    OK :)
    Everiine said: The reason population is low isn't because there are too many orgs. It's because so many facets of the game are outright broken and protected by those who benefit from it being that way. An overabundance of gimmicks (including game-breaking ones), artifacts that destroy any concept of balance, blatant pay-to-win features, and an obsession with convenience that makes few things actually worthwhile all contribute to the game's sad decline.
  • RancouraRancoura the Last Nightwreathed Queen Canada
    +1 to Shaddus for citing Metallica, bonus points for using them as a comeback.

    Tonight amidst the mountaintops
    And endless starless night
    Singing how the wind was lost
    Before an earthly flight

  • I wasn't insulting him, just trying to make a funny :p
  • SiamSiam Whispered Voice
    Talan was leading. Just saying.
    Viravain, Lady of the Thorns shouts, "And You would seize Me? Fool! I am the Glomdoring! I am the Wyrd, and beneath the cloak of Night, the shadows of the Silent stir!"

    #bringShikariback 


  • My complaint is more that people who got the roc clue toward the end couldn't reach it.
    #NoWireHangersEver

    Vive l'apostrophe!
  • Siam said:
    Talan was leading. Just saying.
    While I won't debate that, nobody had found more than 2-3 rooms at that point. The clue resets were an unfortunate by-product of the dice resetting, something that I /know/ I fixed and yet here we are. It was a bit of a cluster, but all I can do is say I'm sorry and offer anyone who feels shorted to contact Estarra by message or issues. I can't really do more than that on this matter. I don't know that it was more frustrating for me than it was for you all, but if it wasn't it was close, especially since it ended up causing some people to drop out which is not something anyone wants.
  • Talan said:
    My complaint is more that people who got the roc clue toward the end couldn't reach it.
    That was my favourite one, actually, until I found out that rocs sleep at night and don't kidnap people when they're dead. :(
  • XenthosXenthos Shadow Lord
    Darvellan said:
    Talan said:
    My complaint is more that people who got the roc clue toward the end couldn't reach it.
    That was my favourite one, actually, until I found out that rocs sleep at night and don't kidnap people when they're dead. :(
    Nerf mechanics.  Rocs for everyone!
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  • Darvellan said:
    Talan said:
    My complaint is more that people who got the roc clue toward the end couldn't reach it.
    That was my favourite one, actually, until I found out that rocs sleep at night and don't kidnap people when they're dead. :(
    Well, we know for next time. :/
    #NoWireHangersEver

    Vive l'apostrophe!
  • Apparently I just missed the event, and can't get dice now. /Sadness
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  • LavinyaLavinya Queen of Snark Australia
    edited October 2016
    What noooo please make them available like the bears last year for those of us who couldn't be there (ie me I'm driving home and I miss all the fun stuff, wah)



  • Can we get some sort of indicator as to how many locations we've visited?
    I'm Lucidian. If I don't get pedantic every so often, I might explode.
  • I got dice but I rolled them and now I've no idea where they are now, seems they dont reset to you as a person so they are pretty lost for me for quite a while then I guess unless I can somehow back step and find them, assuming no one else has scooped them up just yet.
  • @Darvellan it looks like your everytimezone links for the Vengeance and Battlechess events are set two hours earlier than what is posted on the website.
  • I converted the times to GMT because the game runs on that time and most of the globe has an easier time converting GMT to their own local time than they do pst. Also I heard there was a bit of confusion over what 12pm and 12am were, noon and midnight etc.

    Quiz is at:
    5.00pm, or 17.00 pst on Thursday 6th October
    12.00am or 0.00 GMT on Friday 7th October GMT time (Midnight between Thursday and Friday)

    Death is at:
    8.00pm, or 20.00 pst on on Friday 7th October
    3.00am or 3.00 GMT on Saturday 8th October GMT time


    Harmony is at:
    12.00pm, or 12.00 pst on Saturday 8th October (this is noon midday for pst)
    7.00pm, or 19.00 GMT on Saturday 8th October GMT


    Wargames is at:
    4.00pm, or 16.00 pst on Saturday 8th October
    11pm, or 23.00 GMT on Saturday 8th October

    Vengeance is at:
    11.30 am, or 11.30 pst on Sunday 9th October
    6.30pm, or 18.30 GMT on Sunday 9th October

    Battlechess is at:
    2.00pm, or 14.00 pst on Sunday 9th October
    9.00pm, or 21.00 GMT on Sunday 9th October

  • ShaddusShaddus , the Leper Messiah Outside your window.
    See, this makes more sense. By the other clock, the war games were at 6am my time. Now they're at a better time.
    Everiine said: The reason population is low isn't because there are too many orgs. It's because so many facets of the game are outright broken and protected by those who benefit from it being that way. An overabundance of gimmicks (including game-breaking ones), artifacts that destroy any concept of balance, blatant pay-to-win features, and an obsession with convenience that makes few things actually worthwhile all contribute to the game's sad decline.
  • Falmiis said:
    @Darvellan it looks like your everytimezone links for the Vengeance and Battlechess events are set two hours earlier than what is posted on the website.
    Fixed? I think? Thanks!
  • PortiusPortius Likes big books, cannot lie
    Veyils said:
    I got dice but I rolled them and now I've no idea where they are now, seems they dont reset to you as a person so they are pretty lost for me for quite a while then I guess unless I can somehow back step and find them, assuming no one else has scooped them up just yet.
    I had this problem (Or maybe they disappeared because I logged out during the event, I don't know) but I bugged it and got them back. Bug report says it was resolved, so probably issue it instead of bugging at this point if you don't have yours back.
    Any sufficiently advanced pun is indistinguishable from comedy.
  • Did Lusternia crash?

    The voices of the Norns ring out, "What is it that We hear? There is no definitive answer to who is the smartest and most-well read adventurer in the Basin? Lets find out!"

    Norns has just begun a Quiz! Type JOIN QUIZ to participate.

    --- Disconnected on Thursday, October 06, 2016, 8:10 PM ---


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  • Missed the one event I enjoy the most but, I was getting paid overtime at work to sit there and play games on my phone pretty much so, guess I cannot complain -too- much.. but almost 13 hours of work in one day @_@ the next hamster hunt.. I'll be there ^^
    The soft, hollow voice of Nocht, the Silent resounds within your mind as His words echo through the aether, "Congratulations, Arimisia. Your mastery of vermin cannot be disputed."

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  • XenthosXenthos Shadow Lord
    The Grand Inquisitor sets the next question's point value at 1.
    NEW QUESTION: "Nil hath no fury like a harlot scorned! Who has vowed to get revenge against Noth Iborichi?"
    CORRECT ANSWER: "Tlexala"
    #1   Talan                     1
    #2   Tremula                   1
    #3   Falmiis                   1

    The Grand Inquisitor sets the next question's point value at 3.
    NEW QUESTION: "Three sisters used to rule the Inner Sea, what are their names?"
    CORRECT ANSWER: "Jeitara, Lanikai, Sirenalai"
    #1   Siam                      1
    #2   Talan                     1
    #3   Delsea                    1
    #4   Tremula                   1
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    The Grand Inquisitor sets the next question's point value at 1.
    NEW QUESTION: "There is a new owner of the fabulous Faethorn spa, what is her name?"
    CORRECT ANSWER: "Margie Shimmerwing"
    #1   Falmiis                   2
    #2   Siam                      1
    #3   Talan                     1
    #4   Delsea                    1
    #5   Tremula                   1

    The Grand Inquisitor sets the next question's point value at 4.
    NEW QUESTION: "What fantastic social event preceded the recent Ascension and what group hosted it?"
    CORRECT ANSWER: "Ascension Gala, Avechna's Peak Merchants Coterie"
    #1   Falmiis                   3
    #2   Siam                      1
    #3   Talan                     1
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    The Grand Inquisitor sets the next question's point value at 2.
    NEW QUESTION: "Which area has been destroyed by the Sun's merciless rays? Give Us its full name."
    #1   Falmiis                   5
    #2   Talan                     3
    #3   Tremula                   3
    #4   Siam                      2
    #5   Irillia                   2
    #6   Salome                    2
    #7   Ixion                     1
    #8   Lehki                     1
    #9   Aramel                    1
    #10  Ayisdra                   1
    #11  Delsea                    1
    #12  Breandryn                 1
    #13  Edith                     1

    The Grand Inquisitor sets the next question's point value at 1.
    NEW QUESTION: "The owner of which company, in quite high demand, has recently caught the eye of the public due to his disappearance? Give the company's full name."
    CORRECT ANSWER: "Tleem Transports"
    #1   Falmiis                   6
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    #3   Tremula                   3
    #4   Siam                      2
    #5   Irillia                   2
    #6   Salome                    2
    #7   Ixion                     1
    #8   Lehki                     1
    #9   Aramel                    1
    #10  Ayisdra                   1
    #11  Delsea                    1
    #12  Breandryn                 1
    #13  Edith                     1

    The Grand Inquisitor sets the next question's point value at 6.
    NEW QUESTION: "A group of ancient dreamweavers, the Circle of the Deep, fooled the First World into believing that they were in fact gods. What were their names?"
    CORRECT ANSWER: "Aelish, Frai, Serane, Luella, Karagash, Sciomore"
    #1   Falmiis                   9
    #2   Aramel                    6
    #3   Talan                     6
    #4   Tremula                   4
    #5   Lehki                     3
    #6   Kalaneya                  3
    #7   Siam                      2
    #8   Delsea                    2
    #9   Irillia                   2
    #10  Yarith                    2
    #11  Salome                    2
    #12  Ixion                     1
    #13  Ayisdra                   1
    #14  Portius                   1
    #15  Iosen                     1
    #16  Breandryn                 1
    #17  Edith                     1

    The Grand Inquisitor sets the next question's point value at 4.
    NEW QUESTION: "The zi'Prouep sisters see much in the stars. Their paths have diverged long ago but sisters they remain, what are their names?"
    CORRECT ANSWER: "Adushoc, Croobuk, Edathic, Fiik"
    #1   Falmiis                   12
    #2   Aramel                    7
    #3   Talan                     6
    #4   Ayisdra                   4
    #5   Tremula                   4
    #6   Lehki                     3
    #7   Kalaneya                  3
    #8   Siam                      2
    #9   Delsea                    2
    #10  Irillia                   2
    #11  Yarith                    2
    #12  Salome                    2
    #13  Ixion                     1
    #14  Portius                   1
    #15  Iosen                     1
    #16  Breandryn                 1
    #17  Edith                     1

    The Grand Inquisitor sets the next question's point value at 2.
    NEW QUESTION: "What is the name of the fabulous couture designer who has recently opened shop aboard the Star Hopper?"
    CORRECT ANSWER: "Tink McFierce"
    #1   Falmiis                   14
    #2   Aramel                    9
    #3   Talan                     8
    #4   Ayisdra                   5
    #5   Kalaneya                  5
    #6   Tremula                   4
    #7   Yarith                    4
    #8   Lehki                     3
    #9   Portius                   3
    #10  Edith                     3
    #11  Ixion                     2
    #12  Siam                      2
    #13  Delsea                    2
    #14  Irillia                   2
    #15  Salome                    2
    #16  Iosen                     1
    #17  Breandryn                 1
    #18  Sikris                    1

    The Grand Inquisitor sets the next question's point value at 2.
    NEW QUESTION: "Who taught Ladantine VII the secrets of dreamweaving?"
    CORRECT ANSWER: "Sinenth III"
    #1   Falmiis                   14
    #2   Aramel                    9
    #3   Talan                     8
    #4   Ayisdra                   7
    #5   Kalaneya                  5
    #6   Tremula                   4
    #7   Yarith                    4
    #8   Lehki                     3
    #9   Portius                   3
    #10  Edith                     3
    #11  Ixion                     2
    #12  Siam                      2
    #13  Delsea                    2
    #14  Irillia                   2
    #15  Salome                    2
    #16  Iosen                     1
    #17  Breandryn                 1
    #18  Sikris                    1

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  • XenthosXenthos Shadow Lord
    The Grand Inquisitor sets the next question's point value at 2.
    NEW QUESTION: "Upon which volcano did the Elder God Dracnoris splinter?"
    CORRECT ANSWER: "Zokona Volcano"
    #1   Falmiis                   16
    #2   Aramel                    9
    #3   Talan                     8
    #4   Ayisdra                   7
    #5   Kalaneya                  7
    #6   Edith                     5
    #7   Tremula                   4
    #8   Yarith                    4
    #9   Lehki                     3
    #10  Portius                   3
    #11  Ixion                     2
    #12  Siam                      2
    #13  Delsea                    2
    #14  Irillia                   2
    #15  Salome                    2
    #16  Iosen                     1
    #17  Breandryn                 1

    The Grand Inquisitor sets the next question's point value at 6.
    NEW QUESTION: "Name the six dead Elder Gods or Goddesses whose voices have been left behind to impart knowledge to the bard guilds of Lusternia."
    CORRECT ANSWER: "Mahalla, Rhapsody, Trialante, Jagrerox, Crys, Gullagumbah"
    #1   Falmiis                   21
    #2   Kalaneya                  13
    #3   Aramel                    11
    #4   Talan                     11
    #5   Tremula                   8
    #6   Ayisdra                   7
    #7   Edith                     7
    #8   Siam                      5
    #9   Portius                   5
    #10  Yarith                    4
    #11  Salome                    4
    #12  Ixion                     3
    #13  Lehki                     3
    #14  Iosen                     2
    #15  Delsea                    2
    #16  Irillia                   2
    #17  Breandryn                 2
    #18  Eliron                    1
    #19  Lorina                    1
    #20  Veldrin                   1
    #21  Sikris                    1

    The Grand Inquisitor sets the next question's point value at 2.
    NEW QUESTION: "Driven insane by the corruption of the Taint, what is the name of the still devoted, yet misguided, once-tender of the Spirit of Groundhog's shrine?"
    CORRECT ANSWER: "Glinthor Rockpaw"
    #1   Falmiis                   23
    #2   Kalaneya                  15
    #3   Aramel                    11
    #4   Talan                     11
    #5   Tremula                   10
    #6   Ayisdra                   9
    #7   Portius                   7
    #8   Edith                     7
    #9   Ixion                     5
    #10  Siam                      5
    #11  Yarith                    4
    #12  Salome                    4
    #13  Lehki                     3
    #14  Irillia                   3
    #15  Iosen                     2
    #16  Delsea                    2
    #17  Breandryn                 2
    #18  Eliron                    1
    #19  Lorina                    1
    #20  Veldrin                   1
    #21  Sikris                    1

    The Grand Inquisitor sets the next question's point value at 5.
    NEW QUESTION: "Nine Vernals and Nine Seals, their final sacrifice holds. Which Vernal became which Seal? Give 5 examples of name and seal they have become."
    CORRECT ANSWER: "All the time!" <-- Not sure why they used this, but they were manually validating all answers for this one since there were so many possible combinations/options.
    #1   Falmiis                   27
    #2   Kalaneya                  19
    #3   Aramel                    14
    #4   Talan                     13
    #5   Tremula                   12
    #6   Portius                   11
    #7   Ayisdra                   9
    #8   Edith                     9
    #9   Siam                      8
    #10  Ixion                     6
    #11  Irillia                   6
    #12  Yarith                    6
    #13  Salome                    4
    #14  Lehki                     3
    #15  Iosen                     2
    #16  Delsea                    2
    #17  Corissai                  2
    #18  Breandryn                 2
    #19  Eliron                    1
    #20  Lorina                    1
    #21  Veldrin                   1
    #22  Sikris                    1

    The Grand Inquisitor sets the next question's point value at 1.
    NEW QUESTION: "The Sea of Despair was once known under a different name, what was it?"
    CORRECT ANSWER: "Crystal Sea"
    #1   Falmiis                   28
    #2   Kalaneya                  19
    #3   Aramel                    15
    #4   Talan                     14
    #5   Tremula                   13
    #6   Portius                   11
    #7   Edith                     10
    #8   Siam                      9
    #9   Ayisdra                   9
    #10  Yarith                    7
    #11  Ixion                     6
    #12  Irillia                   6
    #13  Salome                    4
    #14  Lehki                     3
    #15  Iosen                     3
    #16  Lorina                    2
    #17  Delsea                    2
    #18  Corissai                  2
    #19  Breandryn                 2
    #20  Eliron                    1
    #21  Veldrin                   1
    #22  Sikris                    1

    The Grand Inquisitor sets the next question's point value at 3.
    NEW QUESTION: "What representative from the Illuminati in Gaudiguch accompanied the expedition party of Project Cosmic Hope? Give name, family name, and title."
    CORRECT ANSWER: "Grand Cipher Tlochaka Chum"
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    #1   Falmiis                   28
    #2   Kalaneya                  22
    #3   Aramel                    15
    #4   Talan                     15
    #5   Tremula                   13
    #6   Portius                   11
    #7   Edith                     10
    #8   Siam                      9
    #9   Ayisdra                   9
    #10  Yarith                    7
    #11  Ixion                     6
    #12  Irillia                   6
    #13  Salome                    4
    #14  Lehki                     3
    #15  Iosen                     3
    #16  Lorina                    2
    #17  Delsea                    2
    #18  Corissai                  2
    #19  Breandryn                 2
    #20  Eliron                    1
    #21  Veldrin                   1
    #22  Sikris                    1

    The Grand Inquisitor sets the next question's point value at 3.
    NEW QUESTION: "Fielding the Staff of Ascension, he became the only Ascended God and recharged the Seals. What was his name and who did he become (name and title)?"
    CORRECT ANSWER: "Soll, Ayridion, the White Flame"
    #1   Falmiis                   31
    #2   Kalaneya                  23
    #3   Aramel                    16
    #4   Talan                     15
    #5   Tremula                   15
    #6   Portius                   13
    #7   Edith                     13
    #8   Siam                      12
    #9   Ayisdra                   9
    #10  Irillia                   8
    #11  Ixion                     7
    #12  Yarith                    7
    #13  Iosen                     4
    #14  Corissai                  4
    #15  Salome                    4
    #16  Lehki                     3
    #17  Lorina                    2
    #18  Delsea                    2
    #19  Breandryn                 2
    #20  Eliron                    1
    #21  Veldrin                   1
    #22  Sikris                    1

    The Grand Inquisitor sets the next question's point value at 4.
    NEW QUESTION: "Which two tribes war over the future of Jojobo?"
    CORRECT ANSWER: "Dawnbursts and Goldenclaws"
    #1   Falmiis                   35
    #2   Kalaneya                  25
    #3   Tremula                   17
    #4   Aramel                    16
    #5   Talan                     15
    #6   Portius                   15
    #7   Siam                      14
    #8   Ayisdra                   13
    #9   Edith                     13
    #10  Irillia                   8
    #11  Ixion                     7
    #12  Yarith                    7
    #13  Iosen                     4
    #14  Corissai                  4
    #15  Salome                    4
    #16  Eliron                    3
    #17  Lehki                     3
    #18  Lorina                    2
    #19  Delsea                    2
    #20  Breandryn                 2
    #21  Veldrin                   1
    #22  Sikris                    1

    The Grand Inquisitor sets the next question's point value at 3.
    NEW QUESTION: "What is the full name of Jojobo's nexus of power?"
    CORRECT ANSWER: "Holy Sunpride Baobab"
    #1   Falmiis                   35
    #2   Kalaneya                  26
    #3   Tremula                   18
    #4   Aramel                    16
    #5   Siam                      15
    #6   Talan                     15
    #7   Portius                   15
    #8   Ayisdra                   13
    #9   Edith                     13
    #10  Irillia                   8
    #11  Yarith                    8
    #12  Ixion                     7
    #13  Corissai                  5
    #14  Iosen                     4
    #15  Salome                    4
    #16  Eliron                    3
    #17  Lehki                     3
    #18  Lorina                    2
    #19  Delsea                    2
    #20  Breandryn                 2
    #21  Veldrin                   1
    #22  Sikris                    1

    The Grand Inquisitor sets the next question's point value at 4.
    NEW QUESTION: "Which four Elders returned together from the Void in the year 381 CE?"
    CORRECT ANSWER: "Crumkane, Lisaera, Jadice, Drocilla"
    #1   Falmiis                   36
    #2   Kalaneya                  27
    #3   Siam                      18
    #4   Tremula                   18
    #5   Aramel                    17
    #6   Portius                   16
    #7   Talan                     15
    #8   Edith                     15
    #9   Ayisdra                   14
    #10  Irillia                   10
    #11  Yarith                    8
    #12  Ixion                     7
    #13  Iosen                     6
    #14  Corissai                  5
    #15  Delsea                    4
    #16  Salome                    4
    #17  Eliron                    3
    #18  Lehki                     3
    #19  Lorina                    2
    #20  Breandryn                 2
    #21  Veldrin                   1
    #22  Sikris                    1

    The Grand Inquisitor sets the next question's point value at 10.
    NEW QUESTION: "After the death of almost all of them in the Elder Wars, only 10 members of the First Circle remained standing. Who were they?"
    CORRECT ANSWER: "Fain, Meridian, Olm, Aslarn, Shairim, Czixi, Dahlthea, Zvoltz, Auginorus, Eventru"
    #1   Falmiis                   45
    #2   Kalaneya                  36
    #3   Tremula                   24
    #4   Siam                      22
    #5   Aramel                    20
    #6   Ayisdra                   19
    #7   Portius                   19
    #8   Talan                     18
    #9   Edith                     15
    #10  Irillia                   10
    #11  Yarith                    10
    #12  Iosen                     9
    #13  Corissai                  9
    #14  Ixion                     8
    #15  Delsea                    7
    #16  Eliron                    4
    #17  Salome                    4
    #18  Lehki                     3
    #19  Lorina                    2
    #20  Breandryn                 2
    #21  Veldrin                   1
    #22  Sikris                    1

    The Grand Inquisitor sets the next question's point value at 4.
    NEW QUESTION: "Warriors of the Second Circle were known for coming together as cadres. Who led the Grey Furies and who were their known members (name three)?"
    CORRECT ANSWER: "Loboshi, Clangorum, Gruenella, Thax"
    #1   Falmiis                   48
    #2   Kalaneya                  39
    #3   Tremula                   25
    #4   Siam                      24
    #5   Aramel                    20
    #6   Portius                   20
    #7   Ayisdra                   19
    #8   Talan                     18
    #9   Edith                     17
    #10  Irillia                   10
    #11  Corissai                  10
    #12  Yarith                    10
    #13  Ixion                     9
    #14  Iosen                     9
    #15  Delsea                    7
    #16  Eliron                    4
    #17  Salome                    4
    #18  Lehki                     3
    #19  Lorina                    2
    #20  Breandryn                 2
    #21  Veldrin                   1
    #21  Sikris                    1

    By the order of the Grand Inquisitor, the winner is...FALMIIS! Let's all give him a big hand folks.

    The Norns, Administrators of Fate say in unison, "With Kalaneya in second, and Tremula in 3rd."




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