Edit: Frankly I feel several of the Halli players refusing to shoot was on the basis that they were certain something bad -would- happen to them from it, so they assumed "let's go down like heroes!". Bad move.
I had no point of 'going down like heroes'.
I fully believed that if we shot at Gaudi, the shield would reflected the beam back and destroy Hallifax. It is was I would have happen. If Hallifax was going down, I sure as hell planned that I should take as much as I can with me. None of this 'let's just kill ourselves and save the Basin'
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EveriineWise Old Swordsbird / BrontaurIndianapolis, IN, USA
Dude, every decision made in this event has been valid. Hallifax blowing itself up may be a "bad" decision from a certain point of view, but it doesn't make it any less valid of a decision. Frankly, I'm loving how literally every decision we make during this event is given actual, real, tangible consequences in an unprecedented way--we've never been able to have our choices have such an impact. Good decisions or bad decisions, events are playing out directly in response to those decisions, and that makes them awesome.
Everiine is a man, and is very manly. This MAN before you is so manly you might as well just gender bend right now, cause he's the manliest man that you ever did see. His manly shape has spurned many women and girlyer men to boughs of fainting. He stands before you in a manly manerific typical man-like outfit which is covered in his manly motto: "I am a man!"
Daraius said: You gotta risk it for the biscuit.
Pony power all the way, yo. The more Brontaurs the better.
The main reasons I opposed firing on Gaudiguch was twofold. First, Davos is very aware of the history of Hallifax and feels strongly that Operation Conclave is the greatest lesson to be learned from our history. You do not throw out nexus destroying powers on a whim without extensive testing. The Board felt completely justified in doing it then, The enemy was abating the enemy of the entire basin and it appeared as if they were planning to help raise them to vernal ascendant status. Turns out they were wrong, as often happens with history.
Second, To fire on Gaudiguch doesn't solve the problem of Sciomore's control of Hallifax and having the power to threaten to crash the city everytime we refused or questioned. With all tyrants, it becomes easier and easier to obey the more you do it. I felt that if we didn't refuse now, we'd never have the strength of will to do it again. We had already destroyed gaudiguch, why not go along with this next thing to protect the city?
Congratulations! By order of Newt Blasterson, you've been named a Master of the Aetherways! 2015/12/09 23:54:29 - Pejat drained 2000000 power to raise Davos as a Vernal Ascendant. You use 80,000,000 of your divine essence. You gain BeauteousThought as a supernumerary power.
There's no mechanical way to remove the Board, just like there's no real mechanical way for Sentinels to remand someone into custody for questioning, or send someone for re-education. It's just like the Moondancer ritual to "cleanse" viscanti, or any number of other things in the game with no real effect beyond what effort we put into it.
Roleplay is like....well, it's like bondage play. It only really works well if it's consensual, and not overused. The Sentinel Guild doesn't openly advertise our roleplay of taking over the Board because we don't want it overused (and thus reducing the rp effects) or even used by someone unscrupulous. It's not even listed on the guild scroll or the physical scroll of our contract because we don't want every Taum, d'Yck and Hairy knowing the information. It's generally handed down word of mouth, to people we feel wouldnt abuse it, and i believe it was first mentioned by either Cririk or Elostian. Once again, it's not mechanical. It's roleplay designed to have one person take charge of the city if the Board cannot act in good faith to protect the Collective.
I feel like no one's mentioned the real motivations for Hallifax's actions: they just wanted to see the city get blown up.
Something about a floating city in the sky gets everyone fantasizing about how it can come crashing down. And not just people outside of Hallifax! Based on my experiences, I really doubt any other org has dedicated anywhere near as much time to speculating how the game could end them.
So when given an opportunity to, most likely, run through the scenario in a manner that won't be permanent, do you really expect people not to give it some due consideration?
No matter what Hallifax chose, it was going to be a show. Win-win on the OOC perspective.
I feel like no one's mentioned the real motivations for Hallifax's actions: they just wanted to see the city get blown up.
Something about a floating city in the sky gets everyone fantasizing about how it can come crashing down. And not just people outside of Hallifax! Based on my experiences, I really doubt any other org has dedicated anywhere near as much time to speculating how the game could end them.
So when given an opportunity to, most likely, run through the scenario in a manner that won't be permanent, do you really expect people not to give it some due consideration?
No matter what Hallifax chose, it was going to be a show. Win-win on the OOC perspective.
Hallifax is basically a giant floating nuke when you look at it. A bunch of magical generators that keep the city up along with a number of secret things that just add to the danger the city really is.
That might be more of a reflection of Mag than of Mag's gods.
Not to actually contend with a player-administer about this, but much of Mag's gods went inactive not because they hate the city or caused drama, but life simply got in the way. Let us take Drocilla recently, she herself stated she simply got swallowed up by life. Fain was perhaps one of the longest player-administrators around, and it wasnt that long ago when he stopped appearing.
Looking at this from a logical point of view, I would guess that the active gods of each city (which was 1 to 2) have taken up the roles given to each city. Magnagora already had inactive/semi-active patrons, so it only stands to reason that our god (Karagash) would be making very few appearances.
Sorry, not sorry, but your statement is pretty false, and generally out of place as an administrator.
>been playing for 3 years and have never seen Fain
help, why can't my time feel that short
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Cyndarinused Flamethrower! It was super effective.
Actually, Estarra has openly and repeatedly stated that how players treat gods in a given organization directly impacts a volunteer administrator's willingness to pick up a role for that organization. So, it's very much not out of place for an administrator to repeat such.
Mag has a few very loud players who treat gods/admin pretty disrespectfully. I doubt I need to name names at this point.
WTF Fain has been dormant for something like 5 RL years.
There's no mechanical way to remove the Board, just like there's no real mechanical way for Sentinels to remand someone into custody for questioning, or send someone for re-education. It's just like the Moondancer ritual to "cleanse" viscanti, or any number of other things in the game with no real effect beyond what effort we put into it.
Roleplay is like....well, it's like bondage play. It only really works well if it's consensual, and not overused. The Sentinel Guild doesn't openly advertise our roleplay of taking over the Board because we don't want it overused (and thus reducing the rp effects) or even used by someone unscrupulous. It's not even listed on the guild scroll or the physical scroll of our contract because we don't want every Taum, d'Yck and Hairy knowing the information. It's generally handed down word of mouth, to people we feel wouldnt abuse it, and i believe it was first mentioned by either Cririk or Elostian. Once again, it's not mechanical. It's roleplay designed to have one person take charge of the city if the Board cannot act in good faith to protect the Collective.
And last night, that happened.
How's that looking?
Pretty well so far! I get to RP as a leader of Talon Skylark Company, hiring out work and offering our contract to the highest bidder.
Everiine said: The reason population is low isn't because there are too many orgs. It's because so many facets of the game are outright broken and protected by those who benefit from it being that way. An overabundance of gimmicks (including game-breaking ones), artifacts that destroy any concept of balance, blatant pay-to-win features, and an obsession with convenience that makes few things actually worthwhile all contribute to the game's sad decline.
What? You have literally no way of knowing why a god quits unless they tell everyone. You know who they usually tell? Other admins.
Usually if a God leaves, he will inform the reason why and it will eventually be passed down the line. It isnt too hard, and if you're actually trying to play the innocent card here, and that there isnt OOC exchanges with admins, then I'll just throw the joker card right back at your face.
Actually, Estarra has openly and repeatedly stated that how players treat gods in a given organization directly impacts a volunteer administrator's willingness to pick up a role for that organization. So, it's very much not out of place for an administrator to repeat such.
Mag has a few very loud players who treat gods/admin pretty disrespectfully. I doubt I need to name names at this point.
WTF Fain has been dormant for something like 5 RL years.
Mag has always been good to their Gods. You're exmaple of "very loud players" is only taken from recent events, specifically Marcella in this case, and you're actually attempting to make it seem this is always the case. Sorry, not sorry, you're wrong.
There have been faaaaaaaaaaar more cases of Drama caused to gods in other orgs than ever in Mag. Examples such as Hoaracle in Serenwilde, Elostian in Hallifax, Kalikai in Gaudiguch. Funny enough, 2 of those orgs have the most drama and yet get the most Gods. Something you forgot to mention, Estarra will also try to sway (as per Eventru's recaption of when he became a god) Player-supporters to try and take up roles in Orgs that she feels needs Gods and a guiding hand. It is actually why Eventru at the time went to Celest and not Serenwilde (as a player-supporter, not as eventru). Funny enough, he preferred Serenwilde's RP. Eventru aside there are several cases. Gods, while they may enjoy a certain org, will also have choices put before them of which orgs needs representation most now, else we could likely see a situation of 5 gods in one org, and another barren of them.
As for Fain, he was never -active-, but he would from time to time appear.
Um, player-supporters (by which I can only assume you mean ephemerals) are not assigned so much on "which org needs a helping hand" as on "which org you have been most opposed to, so that you can see that the people there are really people too". They don't want you hanging out with the same crowd that you played your mortal with.
For example, if I applied for ephemeral / got it, I'd probably get assigned to Magnagora. Serenwilde would be #2.
The God-role themselves, Estarra will encourage to go to an organization that needs it... but the ephemeral process is intended to break your ties to the org you came from and help you transition to an administrative role. Helping out / interacting with the org you're assigned to is a great thing, but we've had ephemerals assigned to Glom when we had 3 active Gods around, so... activity obviously is not the primary motivator for ephemerals.
Having BEEN in Kalikai's order and not someone throwing shade from a distance that doesn't know what they're talking about, I can assure you that nobody gave Kalikai any grief. She was well liked, almost "one of the guys" you'd want to hang around with and chat at, and Gaudiguch lost a lot when she stopped coming around. Any grief that ran her off wasn't due to her or even directed at her.
Everiine said: The reason population is low isn't because there are too many orgs. It's because so many facets of the game are outright broken and protected by those who benefit from it being that way. An overabundance of gimmicks (including game-breaking ones), artifacts that destroy any concept of balance, blatant pay-to-win features, and an obsession with convenience that makes few things actually worthwhile all contribute to the game's sad decline.
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Cyndarinused Flamethrower! It was super effective.
edited December 2015
Sorry, not sorry, reading is hard. We're talking about the present and recent history of Magnagora, which definitely isn't limited to Marcella. I made no "attempt" to make it seem like it was always the case. Mostly because this was not always the case.
There was a time when Mag was very friendly to the admin and their gods were very active. Ironically, it was the very god you keep bringing up as a defense. Fain used to be extremely active, probably the most active in the game. I was his OH for a time and literally spoke to him daily. It was a ton of fun! He phased out eventually, but to Enyalida's point, he never announced why.
But sure, the admin don't know why the admin do things. Personally, if I were you, I'd take it for what it's worth and work on it. That's just me though, if you don't want active gods, by all means, ignore the advice of the admin.
Next time an event happens, I'm just gonna skype Arcanis and ask him to walk me through it. I'm tired of making the wrong choices. I'm missing out on quality RP because I'm not letting him guide me.
Everiine said: The reason population is low isn't because there are too many orgs. It's because so many facets of the game are outright broken and protected by those who benefit from it being that way. An overabundance of gimmicks (including game-breaking ones), artifacts that destroy any concept of balance, blatant pay-to-win features, and an obsession with convenience that makes few things actually worthwhile all contribute to the game's sad decline.
For the record, guild laws for "screw you council," are mechanically unenforceable. It's simply a matter of how willing people are to let said guilds play it out.
I imagine what Shaddus is talking about is that Hallifax has an org level law about it that related to the Sentinel's role in Hallifax, where as the Ur'Guard have an internal law because they just want to be the prettiest princess and specialist snowflake (as recent forums discussions have shown).
Or Hallifax is just really willing to play along.
The UG sovereign statement has existed since 2004 from the first GM, that we all supported. It had nothing to do with being a special snowflake at all, and certainly was not "shown" by recent discussions from people who were not even in the guild (or existed at all) when it happened. As I read it, everyone in that discussion was flying off the handle with some nonsense, and hasn't stopped there apparently.
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Cyndarinused Flamethrower! It was super effective.
A guild declaring independence or maintaining the belief that they can, when there is zero mechanical support of such a declaration (and literally being something you cannot actually do), is very much special snowflakey. I get it, it's cool RP and all, but I'll call a duck a duck. Unfortunately, apparently those kinds of stances also eventually lead to people acting cray cray about it.
Um, player-supporters (by which I can only assume you mean ephemerals) are not assigned so much on "which org needs a helping hand" as on "which org you have been most opposed to, so that you can see that the people there are really people too".
This -must- be why they won't take me as an eph, they'd have to stick me in Ackleberry.
Everiine said: The reason population is low isn't because there are too many orgs. It's because so many facets of the game are outright broken and protected by those who benefit from it being that way. An overabundance of gimmicks (including game-breaking ones), artifacts that destroy any concept of balance, blatant pay-to-win features, and an obsession with convenience that makes few things actually worthwhile all contribute to the game's sad decline.
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I had no point of 'going down like heroes'.
I fully believed that if we shot at Gaudi, the shield would reflected the beam back and destroy Hallifax. It is was I would have happen. If Hallifax was going down, I sure as hell planned that I should take as much as I can with me. None of this 'let's just kill ourselves and save the Basin'
2015/12/09 23:54:29 - Pejat drained 2000000 power to raise Davos as a Vernal Ascendant.
You use 80,000,000 of your divine essence. You gain BeauteousThought as a supernumerary power.
How's that looking?
Hallifax is basically a giant floating nuke when you look at it. A bunch of magical generators that keep the city up along with a number of secret things that just add to the danger the city really is.
Not to actually contend with a player-administer about this, but much of Mag's gods went inactive not because they hate the city or caused drama, but life simply got in the way. Let us take Drocilla recently, she herself stated she simply got swallowed up by life. Fain was perhaps one of the longest player-administrators around, and it wasnt that long ago when he stopped appearing.
Looking at this from a logical point of view, I would guess that the active gods of each city (which was 1 to 2) have taken up the roles given to each city. Magnagora already had inactive/semi-active patrons, so it only stands to reason that our god (Karagash) would be making very few appearances.
Sorry, not sorry, but your statement is pretty false, and generally out of place as an administrator.
Pretty well so far! I get to RP as a leader of
TalonSkylark Company, hiring out work and offering our contract to the highest bidder.Usually if a God leaves, he will inform the reason why and it will eventually be passed down the line. It isnt too hard, and if you're actually trying to play the innocent card here, and that there isnt OOC exchanges with admins, then I'll just throw the joker card right back at your face.
Mag has always been good to their Gods. You're exmaple of "very loud players" is only taken from recent events, specifically Marcella in this case, and you're actually attempting to make it seem this is always the case. Sorry, not sorry, you're wrong.
There have been faaaaaaaaaaar more cases of Drama caused to gods in other orgs than ever in Mag. Examples such as Hoaracle in Serenwilde, Elostian in Hallifax, Kalikai in Gaudiguch. Funny enough, 2 of those orgs have the most drama and yet get the most Gods. Something you forgot to mention, Estarra will also try to sway (as per Eventru's recaption of when he became a god) Player-supporters to try and take up roles in Orgs that she feels needs Gods and a guiding hand. It is actually why Eventru at the time went to Celest and not Serenwilde (as a player-supporter, not as eventru). Funny enough, he preferred Serenwilde's RP. Eventru aside there are several cases. Gods, while they may enjoy a certain org, will also have choices put before them of which orgs needs representation most now, else we could likely see a situation of 5 gods in one org, and another barren of them.
As for Fain, he was never -active-, but he would from time to time appear.
For example, if I applied for ephemeral / got it, I'd probably get assigned to Magnagora. Serenwilde would be #2.
The God-role themselves, Estarra will encourage to go to an organization that needs it... but the ephemeral process is intended to break your ties to the org you came from and help you transition to an administrative role. Helping out / interacting with the org you're assigned to is a great thing, but we've had ephemerals assigned to Glom when we had 3 active Gods around, so... activity obviously is not the primary motivator for ephemerals.
Ixion tells you, "// I don't think anyone else had a clue, amazing form."
The UG sovereign statement has existed since 2004 from the first GM, that we all supported. It had nothing to do with being a special snowflake at all, and certainly was not "shown" by recent discussions from people who were not even in the guild (or existed at all) when it happened. As I read it, everyone in that discussion was flying off the handle with some nonsense, and hasn't stopped there apparently.
This -must- be why they won't take me as an eph, they'd have to stick me in Ackleberry.