Tailoring Layers Information

Lerad

Alright, I remember that when I was a newbie I was first awed, then delighted, then disappointed, frustrated and finally pissed off at the Lusternian clothing system, because of how unintuitive and how irritating it can be. I would buy two pieces of clothing that I thought I could wear, then realize I could only wear one, and I could never find out exactly why, beyond that it was just something about the layers and bodyparts they were worn on. I've never found a detailed help scroll anywhere, player made or otherwise, that resolved the mystery for me, and I eventually gave up on it, just buying combat essentials and leaving it behind me. I recently became a trademaster, and finally have access to the patterns command, so I decided to sit down and document exactly how layering works. I think I've got everything figured out with my testing, but just as a disclaimer, it's possible I may have missed out stuff or gotten things wrong anyway. I'm here to share what I've found out, and I hope it'll be useful for those people (especially newbies) who want to properly plan out their wardrobe.

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First, some facts about tailoring.

• Tailoring has 51 different "patterns" (listed below).

• Tailoring uses the Lusternian bodypart system. This diagram shows all the possible bodyparts. Other tradeskills use this system too - for example: tattoos. This allows them to do some nifty stuff, like making it so that if you wear clothing on a bodypart that also has a tattoo, the tattoo will be hidden etc. Note that there is no clothing that uses the fingers and wrist bodyparts.

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• Clothing can be worn on four different layers.

1. - UNDERWEAR
2. - NORMAL
3. - OVERWEAR
4. - ACCESSORY

• You cannot wear/remove a clothing from a layer if you're wearing something in a layer that covers it.

• Underwear goes below normal which goes below overwear. Accessory layer is seperate and can be worn/removed at any time regardless of everything else.

• Curio items don't interfere with any of the layering, and you can wear as many curios as you want.

• ACCESSORY slots are unlimited - you can wear as many belts, packs, pouches, stoles or whatever else as you want. (Note: I only tested up to 5, not sure if there actually is a limit at 10 etc)

• OVERWEAR NECK has TWO slots. Ie. you can wear 2 cloaks, or 2 capes or 2 scarves, or 1 cape and 1 cloak, or 1 scarf and 1 cloak etc etc. There is no clothing that uses normal/underwear neck layer.

• All other bodyparts have 1 slot per layer. If two pieces of clothing have conflicting bodyparts, they cannot be worn together. For example, a bodice (UNDERWEAR - chest, waist) cannot be worn with a corset (UNDERWEAR - chest, gut) because they both use the chest bodypart.

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HATS
- Hat (NORMAL - head)
- Turban (NORMAL - head)

SHIRTS
- Shirt (NORMAL - chest, gut, back)
- Blouse (NORMAL - chest, gut, arms, back)

TUNICS
- Tunic (NORMAL - chest, gut, arms, back)

PANTS
- Trousers (NORMAL - legs, waist)
- Kilt (NORMAL - legs, waist)

DRESSES
- Dress (NORMAL - chest, gut, legs, back, waist)
- Longskirt (NORMAL - legs, waist)
- Shortskirt (NORMAL - legs, waist)
- Toga (NORMAL - chest, gut, legs, back)
- Sari (NORMAL - chest, gut, legs, back, waist)

SHOES
- Shoes (NORMAL - ankles, feet, toes)
- Sandals (NORMAL - feet)
- Boots (NORMAL - ankles, feet, toes)
- Slippers (OVERWEAR - ankles, feet, toes)

(Yes, this means you can wear slippers over your boots, and can't remove your boots until you remove your slippers first.)

UNDERWEAR
- Panties (UNDERWEAR - waist)
- Boxers (UNDERWEAR - waist)
- Socks (UNDERWEAR - feet)
- Loincloth (UNDERWEAR - waist)
- Slip (UNDERWEAR - legs, waist)
- Petticoat (UNDERWEAR - legs, waist)

LINGERIE
- Bra (UNDERWEAR - chest)
- Corset (UNDERWEAR - chest, gut)
- Bodice (UNDERWEAR - chest, waist)
- Stockings (UNDERWEAR - legs, ankles, feet, toes)
- Chemise (UNDERWEAR - chest, legs, waist)

COATS
- Coat (OVERWEAR - chest, gut, arms, back, waist)
- Cloak (OVERWEAR - neck)
- Cape (OVERWEAR - neck)
- Tabard (OVERWEAR - chest, gut, arms, back)

ACCESSORIES
- Backpack (ACCESSORY - back)
- Belt (ACCESSORY - waist)
- Bag (ACCESSORY - waist)
- Apron (OVERWEAR - gut, waist)
- Veil (ACCESORY - head, face)
- Mask (OVERWEAR - face)
- Vest (UNDERWEAR - chest, gut)
- Gloves (NORMAL - hands)
- Scarf (OVERWEAR - neck)
- Shawl (ACCESSORY - arms)
- Blanket (ACCESSORY - back)
- Satchel (ACCESSORY - waist)
- Pouch (ACCESSORY - waist)
- Stole (ACCESSORY - neck)

- Fascinator (? - ?)

- Headpiece (ACCESSORY - head)

HIGHFASHION
- Gown (NORMAL - chest, gut, arms, legs, back, ankles, waist)
- Suit (NORMAL - chest, gut, arms, legs, back, waist)

GREATROBES
- Robes (NORMAL - chest, gut, arms, legs, back, waist)
- Suit (NORMAL - chest, gut, arms, legs, back, waist)
- Gown (NORMAL - chest, gut, arms, legs, waist)
- Hat (NORMAL - head)

SPLENDOUR
- Robes (NORMAL - chest, gut, arms, legs, back, waist)
- Suit (NORMAL - chest, gut, arms, legs, back, waist)
- Gown (NORMAL - chest, gut, arms, legs, waist)
- Hat (NORMAL - head)

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Shaddus

A vest is an accessory?

Lavinya

Shaddus said:

A vest is an accessory?

An underwear accessory at that?

Lerad

You carefully study a tailoring pattern.
Item: Vest  Type: Accessories  Org: Public
Commodities: silk 8 sapphire 4
Mortal Reviews: Allowed
Layer: UNDERWEAR Bodyparts: chest, gut
IMPORTANT: The main noun MUST use one of these: VEST
Appearance:
an ornamental vest of rich brocade silk
Dropped:
Shining in the available light, a fancy vest has been left behind here.
Examined:
Constructed chiefly of a thick, sturdy white silk, this vest is
stiffened and supported by the layer of golden silk, which lines it.
Golden designs following abstract, flowing lines have been embroidered
across its surface, punctuated here and there by the glistening sparkle
of a sapphire.
Comments:

Lavinya

I believed you. I just find it incredibly bizarre.

Kalnid

The important lessons here are that all gowns are backless and socks with sandals is a valid combination.

Ieptix

Why wouldn't socks and sandals be a valid combination?

Kalnid

Well, normally soulless worship is frowned upon.

Zouviqil

Gotta stack 'em all:

Bra

Panties

Socks

Skirt

Blouse

Hat

Sandals

Coat

Cloak

Slippers

Then comes accessory stacking. At this point, we're at 10 items. How many accessories can you stack?

Marcella

INFINITE ACCESSORIES. YOu can wear over 100 brooches if you want to.

Rialorm

How does it make sense you can wear both sandals and slippers? o.o

Lavinya

What's really bizarre was being unable to wear a pin unless I was practically naked. Especially when it was a hair pin. >_>

Shaddus

Obviously you just need to be naked more.

Xenthos

They accepted an Envoy report ages ago to rework clothing layers to actually make more sense...

... and then never did it.

I really wish that they would.  There are things like coat / cloak / tabard that I can wear, but I have to do it in exactly the right order, and when I do it I can't rub my bracelet for the enchantment on it.  Oh, and then I have to take them off in the right order too in order to get at that bracelet.

Karlach

Rialorm said:

How does it make sense you can wear both sandals and slippers? o.o

Same way I wear 2 helms, a circlet and a crown.

Xenthos

Morkarion said:

Rialorm said:

How does it make sense you can wear both sandals and slippers? o.o

Same way I wear 2 helms, a circlet and a crown.

Or I wear 5 different pairs of footwear?

I am currently wearing:
dancing cowhide boots, Boots of the Wanderer, the Boots of Astral Jumping, the Pearl Sandals of Vernal Haste, and a pair of Winged Sandals of Haste.

I just imagine them as being Faeling sized, and I am wearing one pair per toe.

Lerad

Artifacts obviously don't use the same clothing layers. >.>

Also, jewelry layers work in a way I haven't figured out yet - I'm not a jeweller so I'm not going to find out anytime soon either. I used to think gloves blocked rubbing rings, but I tried that and that wasn't the case. I think they might have changed that some time ago, maybe?

Elanorwen

What, you haven't mentioned garter belts? xD

Mind you, there was a set I ran into that was at the OVERWEAR layer, I think. So your garter belt is showing over your robes, for instance.... not exactly stylish.

Lerad

Garter belts are under the belt accessory, which are on the accessory layer, which is seperate and unlimited, so you'll always see them in your description.

Elanorwen

Lerad said:

Garter belts are under the belt accessory, which are on the accessory layer, which is seperate and unlimited, so you'll always see them in your description.

We need separate versions of such, then. To me, they shouldn't be visible... unless, of course, you want them to and remove the top layers/wear something that shows them.

Munsia

You need to add that Great Robes and Splendours are also covering 'head'. If you raise hood it becomes head covered. Such as if you wear a crown, you can't remove your robes until you remove the hood/crown

Moi

Jewelry is complicated! And recently changed due to tattoos. Please double-check in game before correcting things on this list, as past experiences may no longer be valid! Jewelry items come in three types:

Wielded:
Wands - not worn, needs to be wielded to be rubbed.
Needles - not worn, needs to be wielded to do piercings.

Clothing-like:
Rings - 10 accessory finger slots, enchantable
Bracelets - 2 accessory wrist slots, enchantable
Necklace - 1? neck slot, enchantable
Tiara - 1? head/face? slot, enchantable
Crown - 1? head/face? slot, enchantable
Brooch - Accessory, enchantable
Chain - Accessory
Anklet - Ankle Underwear
Circlet - 1? head/face? slot, enchantable
Choker - 1? neck slot
Armband - 2 accessory wrist slots, enchantable.
Pendant - 1? neck slot, focus enchantable
Beads - Accessory, focus enchantable
Collar - Unknown number of neck slot(s)
Pin - Accessory, focus enchantable

Piercings:
Hoop - see below
Stud - see below
Earring - see below

All piercings (of any type) go in one of the special piercing slots. They are:

left eyebrow
right eyebrow
left nostril
right nostril
septum
upper lip
lower lip
tongue
labret
5 left ear slots
5 right ear slots
left nipple
right nipple
navel

which are covered (ie hides the piercings and prevents wearing/removing them) by the tailoring slots as follows:

FACE covers both eyebrows, both nostrils, septum, both lips, all ears, tongue and labret.
CHEST covers both nipples.
GUT covers the navel.

This happens regardless of layer - underwear covers just as well as normal or overwear. It also leads to weirdness like a mask covering up your earrings, slips not covering nipple piercings, and bodices showing off your navel.

However, piercings are subject to a long-standing bug: If the inventory order (as shown on II) of an article of clothing is higher than that of the jewelry you're attempting to wear, then all piercings covered by that tailoring slot beyond the first are blocked with an improper "You find it difficult to put on <stud> while wearing <clothing>." message. This occurs even if the clothing item isn't worn and is just sitting in your inventory. Example: If your II screen looks like:

"stud1234" the first stud
"stud5678" the second stud
"mask9012" a silly mask
"stud3456" the third stud
"stud7890" the fourth stud

then WEAR 1234 LEFT EAR followed by WEAR 5678 RIGHT EAR wears the first stud, but gives an error for the second, and WEAR 3456 LEFT EAR followed by WEAR 7890 RIGHT EAR works correctly. A similar issue occurs with nipples and chest coverings. This can be 'fixed' by dropping all your studs and picking them back up again.

Kaalak

Extremely useful thread by the way. Thank you.

Daraius

Don't think I knew nipple piercings were a thing in Lusternia.

Munsia

Totally use to be. Some of us wanted other peircings. 

Moi

Yep. They've been in the game for ages and ages.

Daraius

Seeking jeweler.

Xenthos

Wait, I thought you didn't like people touching you?

(I also was about to say, "I'm a jeweller" and then I scrolled back for context.)

Daraius

Just imagining Daraius getting nipple piercings. It's too much I can't even.

(P.S. I would love it if this information was easily accessible in-game! Thanks for the breakdowns, @Lerad and @Iytha!)

Munsia

Type piercings, Daraius...

Enyalida

"If a particular part is not pierced, it will not be displayed in the listing."

Nope!