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GlevichGlevich
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I was just discussing some classflex things with some others and was asked about Aquachem. If someone wants to classflex into the Aquas and go Aquachem (fine by me) but the only problem I can see to that is that the cubes used to make reagents is located on the ship upon Water, an extension of the Aquamancers Guildhall. How is someone, let's say a Celestine who classflexes to Aquachem, supposed to be able to enter the ship to purchase the cubes for their reagents since they cannot enter the ship. I understand that an Aquamancer could lead them to where they need to go, but that could be problematic if there are no Aquamancers around that can lead them there.

Another thing that I noticed (and this is if I decide to classflex) the Astrolabe in Celest is located inside the Celestines guild hall (Which I would classflex to Astrology Celestine). How would I be able to use the astrolabe if there are no other Celestines able to escort me. Would I just have to purchase the artifact astrolabe to get around that or possibly ask for it's relocation?
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  • SsalissSsaliss
    I thought cubes were basically only shortcuts for reagents, and that essence (in your case, the water essence) can be used for it as well?
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  • GlevichGlevich
    ahh yeah, didn't think about the essence, my bad on that part (been forever since I've had to make reagents)
  • SsalissSsaliss
    Also, re: astrolabe, the positions of the planets and whatnot are perfectly calculable given a time and date, and I'm sure there is a system for it for your client somewhere.
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  • EnyalidaEnyalida Nasty Woman, Sockpuppeteer to the Gods
    edited November 2013
    It does drift a little, people with calculation systems tend to like to check them every so often, I think.

    EDIT: IIRC, at least. I think it had something to do with code being patched in making a time difference or something.
  • SsalissSsaliss
    I haven't noticed any drift in my astrology tracker, at least. Then again, I don't really do combat, so odds are I wouldn't notice a small difference...
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  • TurnusTurnus The Big Bad Wolf
    Astrolobes are also manse purchasable and I think maybe an artifact? So there are options, I'm sure there's a public astrolobe somewhere. And might be something cities/communes will want to buy since the skill isn't directly tied to a guild exclusively.

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  • DaraiusDaraius Shevat The juror's taco spot
    I think this kind if inconvenience should just come with the territory for guild flexers. You're not actually in the guild, so if you can't get an escort to use their amenities, oh well?
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  • DysDys
    Astrology doesn't drift relative to Lusternia time and date. Mine doesn't anyway.
  • LaysusLaysus
    If your numbers are right, Astrology doesn't drift.
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  • SteingrimSteingrim
    @glevich They can enter a ship (or other chem platform?) they just need to be following someone who has access. Aren't all the items riftable? If so you could set up a guild shop and maybe profit a bit off of them.

    Also, I never really checked, but I was always under the impression that the observatory could be used by astronomers and that the guild items were a convince?

    Lastly, you could possibly talk your patron to allowing non-enemy guildflexers entrance into your guild (if you wanted to go that far).
  • NeosNeos The Subtle Griefer
    There's not any real reason someone would want to classflex Aquachem anyways.
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  • ZvoltzZvoltz
    As has already been said, -chemancy reagents can be made directly from elemental essence you bash up on your elemental plane. The cubes are just a shortcut.

    Cities and guilds can also talk to their patron to see about adding an astrolabe.

  • KagatoKagato Auckland, New Zealand
    edited November 2013
    Zvoltz said:
    Cities and guilds can also talk to their patron to see about adding an astrolabe.
    QFT.  The Celestines have had an Astrolabe in their guildhall for a LONG time now.
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  • EnyalidaEnyalida Nasty Woman, Sockpuppeteer to the Gods
    The Celestines have an astrolabe because they have Astrology as a class skill, and therefore your statement doesn't address the question at hand.


    It's doubtful that guilds that do not have Astrology in their repertoire will want to spend credits on facilities that no one with their guild's skills can use, but orgs might be convinced, if it's not too expensive. Of course, every guild that gets Astrology already has an astrolabe available to them, and wouldn't therefore gain any additional use from a public astrolabe, so it's a big expense for a really niche group, especially with the really high costs/restrictions on classflexing.
  • KiradaweaKiradawea
    Just use the Astrolabe in Deepnight.
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  • ShaddusShaddus , the Leper Messiah Outside your window.
    I know the institute has one, i paid for it myself.

    /flex
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  • AerotanAerotan
    For some reason I want to say that the Shadowdancer one is public, but I think I might be wrong since I've only ever wanted to go up there on my Shadowdancer anyway.
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  • EnyalidaEnyalida Nasty Woman, Sockpuppeteer to the Gods
    Party at the Shadowdancer's astrolabe.

  • HiriakoHiriako
    It is public. Don't ask how I've gotten to see it before.
  • IoniIoni
    There is a publicly accessible astrolabe in the tower by the Feyranti Estate but it didn't work when I tried to Stargaze. I've never done the quest there so maybe it is just for that but I bugged it anyways just in case.
  • ParuaParua
    Hiriako said:
    It is public. Don't ask how I've gotten to see it before.
    because you're Shaddus.
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  • SsalissSsaliss
    The SD astrolabe isn't public, actually.
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  • HiriakoHiriako
    Could've sworn it was. I know I saw one in a public place. I thought I did, anyway.
  • ParuaParua
    Hiriako said:
    Could've sworn it was. I know I saw one in a public place. I thought I did, anyway.
    In that case, Glom currently has 2 astrolabes. 
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  • ShaddusShaddus , the Leper Messiah Outside your window.
    Parua said:
    Hiriako said:
    It is public. Don't ask how I've gotten to see it before.
    because you're Shaddus.
    NO U
    Everiine said: The reason population is low isn't because there are too many orgs. It's because so many facets of the game are outright broken and protected by those who benefit from it being that way. An overabundance of gimmicks (including game-breaking ones), artifacts that destroy any concept of balance, blatant pay-to-win features, and an obsession with convenience that makes few things actually worthwhile all contribute to the game's sad decline.
  • AnnickAnnick
    Parua said:


    Hiriako said:

    Could've sworn it was. I know I saw one in a public place. I thought I did, anyway.

    In that case, Glom currently has 2 astrolabes. 


    Nights Needle is at the top of the tower which leads to the astrolabe

  • SsalissSsaliss
    You can only use the Nights Needle as an SD though. Plus, there's a connection from the SD GH to the Needle.
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  • DaemDaem
    Ssaliss said:
    The SD astrolabe isn't public, actually.
    Wait it's not still at the top of the black tower? Or we're the only ones who can access it?
  • SsalissSsaliss
    It's still at the top of the tower, yes, but only the SD can actually get to it. Anyone else touching the needle gets nothing.
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  • ElanorwenElanorwen The White Falconess
    Quite amused by the original post. What, they want to go Aquachem, so you can't go and buy the cubes for them (even if you don't want to lead them on the boat) yourself? Either you're afraid they won't pay you back... in which case, why are you letting these people classflex in your guild (If you can't trust them with 10k gold or so, how can you trust them with guild skills?) or you're just generally not a nice person, in which case there's a completely different problem involved.
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