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I thought I was allowed to stay because..."shhhh"
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It's not going to be the same if people don't complain about a Serenwilder being invited to the meet.
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(Quote)Well, while yeah we're heading away from Shofangi stuff. It's a Serenwilde guild, it's history is always going to have a massive impact on it.I don't know, though it could also be why Bull sent his followers down there?It could also provide a reason for well... why these particular styles are based on things from the surface that the kephera might not have actually e…I guess the thing that appeals to me most is this attitude that Serenwilde has about being "First".Even though you can't really prove it (unless there has been releases to say so), Serenwilde seemed to really latch onto the ide…(Quote) That's another possible take on it, which is pretty cool too.I guess my brain it trying to assemble logic from the bits and pieces that have been discussed here.There's also half…(Quote) I was thinking that it could be this cool circle where maybe the Bull worshippers went down and taught the Kephera (or maybe just left an impression on Keph before they splintered?), then the Kephera added to those teachings wit…(Quote)What if that's where Bull's followers went? What if at least part of their journey was to the Undervault?I don't know if it's been completely impossible given lore and time lines, but perh…(Quote)I don't think it was ever specified, though... Shofaran was a guild title from memory (gr5?) and Shofa is a Fae word (or at least to my knowledge Shofa and Shofangi were intended to be per Estarra). If you take that, …(Quote)Mantra's irl also vary between just being a sound to groupings of actual words. Like, the syllable Om has a decently lengthy entry on it.Though I thought the issue with Ae …(Quote) Yeah... the singular "they" has been in use since like the 16th century.What's more interesting is that people are so opposed to using "they" and yet it's actually completely natural for us to use it the moment that gender…I feel it should also be remembered that Bull is not a part of Serenwilde the same way that the White Hart and Mother Moon are.He chose to protect the forest, he is an outsider that came to help the forest. This in itself can b…The Shofangi talk reminded me of another thing that is kinda bad and is potentially related to lore.DON'T FOCUS EVERYTHING DOWN THE LINES OF "COMBAT", "WRITING", "SOCIAL STUFF"I've d…It depends on what kind of psychic though, if they have just mental speech then yeah they'd need a language for that, if it's not though then they might not need names for things. (This is really hard to conceptualise I thing just because of how for…@Qistrel looks like I have a copy of the original skill list in my gmail, (I sent it to someone for wiki/xiel pages purposes)The Bull s…(Quote) I guess I mean more that it's something that felt out of place, as opposed to perhaps taking something that was already factored into the Hartstone and weaponising that.Unfortunately the best example I've …(Quote)I feel like here you pretty much are describing the Hartstone to varying degrees. Restoring plant life (balancing ecosystems) and interacting with the weather are even things they can mechanically do. Conceptually the protection of the…It could actually provide a reason for a "cleansing" as it were.Like... people could just get really angry about the state of the guild ic and decide to change things. It could possibly be one of the few instances where you cou…Oh, actually one thing that I remembered that I've both been guilty of but now find to be jarring and a pet peeve.Incorporating RL elements (lets just group this as things outside the game) into orgs for "reasons"(Quote)Personally I'd be really entertained if it turned out that the reason Bull hasn't turned up recently is just that he's so obstinate that all these "nice" rituals "asking" him to "please" come for a visit aren't going …I think that's the thing that some people are aware of but not happy about.From memory and the discussions he's not summoned, all that we glean is the message and that he still exists somewhere. Though I wish the people that m…From what I remember...There's the connection to Charune, and through him to the White Hart, and then through him to Serenwilde.And for a while Bull was hanging out in Serenwilde with everyone, but t…(Quote)I agree with pretty much all of this and I think the Serenguard are one of the examples of where player driven rp has really taken off and it's great.For the Shofangi attempts someone else …So things may have changed by the time Avurekhos ascended.The response by @Azus in the linked thread for Rivius though reflect the reacti…(Quote)While an entertaining take, I still feel that the skills of the Hartstone (Lightning bugs being a more visible example) are sometimes rather distinct from their plot hooks in the guild hall.(Quote)I suppose that then comes down to the argument between players though.I've been told that Bull never shows up, that he hasn't been seen in the forest since he "abandoned it" (I believe the…Lore is really frustrating to explain and what makes it good is well... really individual.When I was looking at the lore for the Hartstone what made the most sense for them was vague and nebulous concepts, but there are other g…(Quote) This is why I like the way MKO works for this stuff, I really hate having to appoint a patron for OOC reasons when it's an IC post(Quote) This is weird to me, I remember people really specifically telling me that Bull hasn't actually been to Serenwilde in potentially literal ages and the statue message is all that they've been able to get out of him ever. But obvi…(Quote) I can't actually remember if this came out before or after the Scorpion Caverns, but that description actually sounds like it's a plot hook that wasn't followed up on. Which isn't actually entirely unusual though it might not ha…(c) Iron Realms Entertainment 2012.