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Idea for tattoos from Calfuray:

What if the tattoos didn't fade, but their powers did?

Because then people will have to turn for tattooers to renew the powers, but we won't have the hassle of "go through this catalogue of all of these tattoo designs and pick."

And this will make tattooers the coolest of trades because they'll be like "skin artist with semi-permanent buffing abilities."

Also, for the changes to armour, add them as passives based on the class. Warriors get masterarmour, guardians/druids/mages get splendourarmour, bards and monks get tattoo armour. Tailoring Knots and Tattoos can help buff whatever resistances they need along with artifacts

For the loss other trans skills like magictome, herblore, etc. Here are some of my suggestions:

1. Artifacts - it can be done, anyone can buy them via money or daily credits
2. A skill similar to AB Beastmastery Beastmaster, except you can switch anytime for 10 power. Switching to another specialize item/skill will let you lose them
3. Chosen Passives - Mages/Guardians get Tierstone and Magictome, Warriors and monks get Immunity, Druids get Herblore etc. (bad idea but just throwing it out there)

As for goop:

Remove them, convert them to credits. If you still want to keep them, I advise having an NPC give out daily quests by ordering a number of items that rewards you if you fulfil that order for goop.

If the purpose of the proficiency system is to use less comms as you gain proficiency, then may I suggest what we have now be the basis of having 0 proficiency minus the artifacts, curios and demipowers. So if I still want to bake that spice pie, I still need 10 spices, not 50 because I have 0 proficiency. If I want to bake spice pies with half of the comms, I'd grind it. This way, people has access to all the trades without worrying they have to use up 10x more comms cause of 0 proficiency. This is assuming you will still push through with it. I don't like it though but this is the best solution I can come up so far if we are heading towards that direction

On the splitting alchemy/cooking/brewmeister - i love in theory being able to expand trades, add new trades (floristry and perfumes when?), but by the same token, knowing that we'd be limited to two slots is exceptionally painful. Especially if we want to make use of the new skills to collect commodities to boost our own craft. 

i strongly believe that a lot of current shops are stocked by people who have multiple trades. Proposing punishment for being self-sufficient, finally picking up those elusive once-gated trades and wanting to craft your own things may well end up resulting in a lot of currently well-rounded shops being mostly empty. Most often i would flex a trade to make a certain thing i or someone needed, then make some extra things for my shops while i was there to meet a need. NPC shops filling gaps where items were hard to get is GREAT but i don't see, still, why it is impossible to allow self-sufficiency. People who currently have trades for the trans perk that never respond to market calls looking for items or stock shops because they have no interest are not going to magically develop an interest in stocking a shop or making their services available to people. A lot of trade-flexers are the only reason the system has stayed alive, when you hear how many of us flex JUST to help someone who needs something. Choose the rp or the mechanics (in this case, profit) as it's still very obvious not all trades are created equal in terms of making money. Someone with herbs or alchemy will always make more than an artisan, so someone who enjoys being crafty but likes to make money will have to make a sacrifice, and that feels so backward to making trades freely available to everyone.

I just had an idea for the NPCs that are going to sell commodities and base items. Put them in the old Artifact Shops on Avechna's Peak. Have an event where Jeremiah has a grand re-opening to introduce his new wares!

ok.

Orael said:

• All mechanical benefits from selecting a trade will be removed (Trans items and skills that give the trader something)

I vehemently disagree with this part of removing them from the game. Trans skills gave flavor, combat help, unique choices, and things people actually wanted in most of those skillsets. I'll try to keep analysis and an alternative idea brief...

Afrit said:

This really isn't meant to be ragging on the Revelry leadership so please don't take it that way.

Rabble rabble rabble.

As a principal foil for this proposal, I will say one thing, and very loudly: it has potential. I agree with the basis, though not the simplicity of the implementation as it brings up a few more things that would need to be settled. This particularly is meant to address Gaudiguch, as other orgs would seem to have less of a problem with this and could undoubtedly come up with their own fixes without my input.

Complaint: Minstrels -> Illuminati

The martial pairing of Nunchaku and Templars is fine - monking could easily be adjunct to Templaring, particularly as the Tzaraziko-fusion of Zarakido brings a whole new school of thought that can find outlets within the Hidden Temple dogma; this is great! What's less great is the mashup of the Illuminati and Minstrels. The Minstrels were never really given the chance or tools to develop - there was a lot of thumbs-downing from the admin of the time, and the few players that invested heavily (Persayis and others) were stonewalled and not given much direction on how to progress.

We were blessed with finally getting our song quest (!) and having a lore hook, but it didn't really land so far as giving us a solid tie in around which to construct a guild. Largely we just became the 'other' pile, which is the very same thing that happened with the Revelry; its main attraction is that you can just do whatever the hell you want and call it something good, and that's the heart of the issue that's plagued us since inception. Laissez-faire is great in theory, but putting it into practice and giving it structure is more difficult. After having settled the initial plans for the guild, having them taken apart and tinkered with time and time again, then myself violently smashing the reset button, I can't say I'm sad about losing the Revelry as a guild. There isn't much there, and historically, there hasn't been. If anyone can understand the necessary pain of having your work thrown away to make something better, it's me, multiple times over.

What hurts here is having the Minstrel identity, or rather lack thereof, brushed away under the rug to be eclipsed by the much more powerful force of the Illuminati presence. As Afrit has mentioned in our talks, they aren't so perfectly paired as the Cantors and Celestines would/could be, among others. There's a much stronger synergy elsewhere, particularly (imo) when it comes to the Forests - the Minstrels lose out here, and that's after still not having gotten off the starting plate since the guild was originally settled and left to its own devices forever ago. The Minstrels were nobodies that largely reformed as the Revelry, who are still nobodies because guild identity does not exist in Gaudiguch. I understand there is an initiative behind the scenes to change this, but I will still defer to Afrit's proposal because it satisfies the goal New Guilds should have addressed in the first place, but failed to.

Let's find a way to make it work, especially if the Minstrels can still have a turn with relevance someday.

As for aethertrading being removed, I want to highlight large issues here: It was both a source of goop and gold for a good deal of people who went to use it and especially for new players it was an easy way to get their hands on some basic artifacts that would get them started on PvP as well (relatively cheap way to get a nose, etc ). It also allowed people to get their hands on consumable's more reliably and as such those buffs saw a a lot more use. I suspect that with goop effectively being removed as a renewable resource, you'll see a huge plummet in the use of aethercandies, aetherbuttons and the like and they become once again a thing only to be used by the richest few percent of the playerbase... I feel this is not something that you would want and would suggest considering a replacement mechanic that still allows people to gain goop (just as they can gain dailycredits).

I also agree with Aeldra on this, aethertrading was basically one of my only ways to potentially gain IG currency for things like gnomeweapons and other aethergoop only items, since I can't really spend money on Lusternia. It would be really helpful if there was a daily-goop system, so that people can still purchase combat items. Either that, or allow most goop-only combat items to be paid for in credits.