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Re: Lusternian AMA
Inspired by the Divine AMA thread, again forgive any repeats, I think it's been awhile since we've tried these:
- What flower do you associate with your character?
- If your character could give advice to their younger self, what would they say?
- What "impossible" dream does your character have?
- What is your character's favorite place in Lusternia?
- Describe who your character is in one sentence. No cheating with semicolons!
Lantra
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Re: Upcoming Celestine Rework
Yes, precisely so- particularly point #3. The original post essentially turns Celestines into a class that can only kill in groups with the Sacraments instakill outlined. Which...they can already do with Absolve. So while it may be slightly *easier* to kill with an ego instakill as a Celestine, it doesn't solve the core problem, which seems to be that it can not overcome any amount of healing to keep a target from simply ignoring your offense or leaving the area at will.Daemel said:Sulwh said:Celestines already have multiple viable killpaths: Judgment, Absolve, Inquisition (it is an instakill in the same sense that toad curse is one - the person that is being inquisitioned should die unless mistakes happen or they are rescued), Meteor (especially with the new wondercenser), Cauterise, and Soulless (but let's be real, why would you ever use it when Judgment is Soulless but a thousand times better?). They have tools to hamper someone and keep them in the room for meteor: carcer, shieldstun, web. If the meteor is timed well and you are able to drop the meteor immediately before the opponent uses balance/equilibrium, then shieldstun/web has a great chance of lasting until the meteor falls.Absolve is already an amazing pressuring tool even though it is not viable for solo kills (there are other killpaths for solo: judgment and meteor). If there is a Celestine in a group, then you have to watch your mana usage for clotting. The Nihilism equivalent, Wrack, at least requires the target to be bound or paralyzed. Absolve only requires 50% mana.I think it is neat that class reworks are being done, but I do not understand the rationale in removing 2 conditional viable group instakills and replacing it with, on paper, an extremely strong killpath.
1. The thing about Absolve is that while yes, it is a killsteal move-it is only that. A Celestine can't reliably pull it off without a Tk mage/Nekotai and wiccans to a lesser degree meaning that they having to reach outside their org to achieve the method as Celest typically don't have TK mages. They are predominantly dreamweavers or runists to a lesser degree. Also, Wrack is nowhere -near- as equivalent as absolve. Wrack may have an extra requirement, but it can be pulled off without help because of the way Nihilists are set up greatly for success even with the recent upgrade they received in the last two or three years. You can't amissio/powersink your way to absolve with afflictions that cure at the speed of light that is given actively ~4s or passively at ~8s with the angel. So the removal of absolve makes sense to me here.
2. Tools to hamper like carcer/web/shieldstun/tower(fall) card are negligble because of some artifacts make those tools lolzy irrelevant. Understandably they're not meant to be 100% inescapable which is correct, but they can also use a much-needed upgrade in proc rates in blocking escape to allow them more use for necessity.
3. My concern is the reduction in stun duration because for balance reasons, the new mech -has- to take into account of Soulless and Meteor kills. I get the impression that this new suite of affs MIGHT be good for cauterize, but I don't know. However, I think the stun needs to be at least 6 or 7s which is still a reduction from what it is now, but it should be baby steps in duration reduction to see how viable it is to pull off those two. It is already bad that you can't do anything while Soulless is being channeled, but also within that time and stun, the angel will only pull off one set of affs-which if wrathed, that's literally only 2 afflictions (within the current 8s) and that won't be enough to "hamper" in the current meta of how simple it is to walk out of anything short of a crux, pfifth or a climax stun. At 4s, it's a simple cure a possible aff that prevents movement and it's a reset or a reset and forced to go for <25% ego or max holyfire to be slain.
The changes to the class need to be focused on what the Celestines are meant to be: a "glass cannon" of afflictions that set up timed instakills during which they're very vulnerable. The risk vs reward, hand-wringing of "I've thrown everything into this ONE moment to secure a kill" is core to the Celestine experience and that shouldn't be changed so that they have an easier time in large groups.
Talkan
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Re: Upcoming Celestine Rework
The only Celestines I've seen in recent months on Shadowlight have complained about how terrible Absolve is, so I feel like a viable instakill in the guild primary to work towards sounds like a great idea. (Or is it usually in the secondary? Institute gets it in Aeonics but I guess that's kind of their main stick.) Likewise, even in groups (admittedly we might not be the best coordinated at times) I know that I see people living through inquisition stun and running after coming out the other end so I would venture that a kill condition stuck onto the end would be preferable than just a stun/def strip. Certainly, going by deathsights Meteor (super popular all round) and Soulless (less popular? I think I've seen it once) have been done more outside of inquisition than because of it. In my opinion the fact that Meteor and Soulless being the fun kill routes that stand out in your memory is a sign of the lack of flourish in Celestineism itself. Come back and throw space rocks at people with @Azula and friends in the meantime, it still works - and rocks!Talkan said:I guess I'm confused about why moving kill routes away from tertiaries is a net positive for the class. Meteor and Soulless are really fun kill routes to achieve. Moving the class away from those doesn't seem like it's inherently better.Furies said:Thank you all for the feedback so far.@Talkan
What we are trying to do here is shift the focus for the Celestine kill route back to Celestialism and away from tertiary abilities, as these should be the primary kill methods for the class. The idea behind the 6p for CELESTIALRAY isn't to stack afflictions, it's to assist in the generation of HolyFire. The concept is that there is just enough time between Inquisition starting and finishing to use CELESTIALRAY as a means to secure more HolyFire and execute the kill condition.
Re: The Awakening of the Great Spirit of the Sea
Going to add in the incredibly awesome first person coven messages here. Seriously I loved these messages so kudos to the one who wrote them.
Forming the initial coven:
Calfuray grabs hold of your hands and then turn your gaze toward the Lady of the Lagoons who sits high upon the reef of coral. Her power, Her cunning, Her Beauty, Her rage, Her vengeance. You will help Her enact it. And so, you join together in this ritual conclave: the Bloodtide Coven.
Joining others to the coven:
You offer Sapphira a chance to join the Bloodtide Coven, and she accepts the offer. You both turn your gaze toward the distant Lady of the Lagoons, feeling the magical energies rise about you like the rising of a flood. Her desires, Her vengeance, Her will shall be meted out, for certain.
Cone. Offering essence in the coven:
Joining hands with your coven, you turn your gaze to the darkened firmament, toward the Lady of the Lagoons in all Her terrible, magnificent glory. Lightning flashes, cutting through the air with ozone and static, while ominous, brooding waters churn at your feet, and you give yourself to Her - your essence and your magic channels skyward in sacrifice to Her unbending will as you dance in Her name. In this moment, for this trial, you are Hers.
Sprume (which apparently was a vitals buff?):
With your coven, you lift your arms and twirl, dragging your toe in a crescent arc against the roiling sea's surface. A spray of white spume froths at your beck and call, rising to bathe you in glittering enchantments.
Revelling in the beauty of Her seas, you feel yourself empowered to towering heights and fathomless depths.
Sirensong:
Linking hands with your coven, you lift your voices into a bewitching siren song, your chorus a haunting echo that drifts through the waters, luring Gurashi to you.
Beckoned by your siren song, Gurashi breaks through the surface of the sea, disoriented and bewildered.
Riptide:
With sharp gestures and jerking movements, you dance with your coven, chanting the name of Gurashi. The sea answers, rending a watery gash into itself and dragging them away in its shrieking riptide.
And the full list of abilities:
You have gained the following abilities in Sea:
USE CIRCLE TALK <message> - Share your thoughts to all members of your coven.
USE CIRCLE CONE <power/essence> [CONFIRM] - Offer your energies to support the Lady Li-varili.
WARNING!!! Offering essence means offering EXPERIENCE/ESSENCE! WARNING!!!
USE CIRCLE RIPTIDE <PLAYER> - Have the waves carry away the jetsam and flotsam.
USE CIRCLE SPUME - Bathe in the frothy, white foam of the seas.
USE CIRCLE SIRENSONG <PLAYER> - Draw sailors and other seafarers to you.
To bring in others into the coven, simply HOLDHANDS <player>.
To cease your activities with the coven, simply BACKAWAY and earn Her ire.
Forming the initial coven:
Calfuray grabs hold of your hands and then turn your gaze toward the Lady of the Lagoons who sits high upon the reef of coral. Her power, Her cunning, Her Beauty, Her rage, Her vengeance. You will help Her enact it. And so, you join together in this ritual conclave: the Bloodtide Coven.
Joining others to the coven:
You offer Sapphira a chance to join the Bloodtide Coven, and she accepts the offer. You both turn your gaze toward the distant Lady of the Lagoons, feeling the magical energies rise about you like the rising of a flood. Her desires, Her vengeance, Her will shall be meted out, for certain.
Cone. Offering essence in the coven:
Joining hands with your coven, you turn your gaze to the darkened firmament, toward the Lady of the Lagoons in all Her terrible, magnificent glory. Lightning flashes, cutting through the air with ozone and static, while ominous, brooding waters churn at your feet, and you give yourself to Her - your essence and your magic channels skyward in sacrifice to Her unbending will as you dance in Her name. In this moment, for this trial, you are Hers.
Sprume (which apparently was a vitals buff?):
With your coven, you lift your arms and twirl, dragging your toe in a crescent arc against the roiling sea's surface. A spray of white spume froths at your beck and call, rising to bathe you in glittering enchantments.
Revelling in the beauty of Her seas, you feel yourself empowered to towering heights and fathomless depths.
Sirensong:
Linking hands with your coven, you lift your voices into a bewitching siren song, your chorus a haunting echo that drifts through the waters, luring Gurashi to you.
Beckoned by your siren song, Gurashi breaks through the surface of the sea, disoriented and bewildered.
Riptide:
With sharp gestures and jerking movements, you dance with your coven, chanting the name of Gurashi. The sea answers, rending a watery gash into itself and dragging them away in its shrieking riptide.
And the full list of abilities:
You have gained the following abilities in Sea:
USE CIRCLE TALK <message> - Share your thoughts to all members of your coven.
USE CIRCLE CONE <power/essence> [CONFIRM] - Offer your energies to support the Lady Li-varili.
WARNING!!! Offering essence means offering EXPERIENCE/ESSENCE! WARNING!!!
USE CIRCLE RIPTIDE <PLAYER> - Have the waves carry away the jetsam and flotsam.
USE CIRCLE SPUME - Bathe in the frothy, white foam of the seas.
USE CIRCLE SIRENSONG <PLAYER> - Draw sailors and other seafarers to you.
To bring in others into the coven, simply HOLDHANDS <player>.
To cease your activities with the coven, simply BACKAWAY and earn Her ire.
Uzriel
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Re: Upcoming Celestine Rework
I'll simply say thank you for looking into Celestine and moving it from the awkward spot it is right now 
. I do not feel the wish to engage in conversation in regards to validity though, so this will be my only comment.
. I do not feel the wish to engage in conversation in regards to validity though, so this will be my only comment.edit: cleaned it up to sound less mean, Aeldra, get more caffeine.
Aeldra
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Re: QUOTES 8: THE QUOTING
(Gaudiguch): You say, "Do you think if we gave Drachou a big drink of firemead AND the stuff from the fizzy river on Crumkindivia, he could burp up a big cloud of flame to keep the storms from raining on us?"
(Gaudiguch): You say, "I'm really not happy with what all this sandy mud is doing to my pedicure."
- much later -
The disgruntled roar of the Guardian Drachou can be heard as he protests the raging storm, sending the Eternal Flame surging above the tip of the Great Pyramid for a few moments.
(Gaudiguch): You say, "I'm really not happy with what all this sandy mud is doing to my pedicure."
- much later -
The disgruntled roar of the Guardian Drachou can be heard as he protests the raging storm, sending the Eternal Flame surging above the tip of the Great Pyramid for a few moments.
Likely coincidental, but it made me so happy. Love he
Eritheyl
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Re: Upcoming Celestine Rework
It seems a little early to be beating the drum for a nerf before we even see what sort of numbers the Celestines can produce with regards to ego drain and holyfire building.
I do like the idea of holyfire working more similarly to deathmarks than timewarp/tempins but don't really understand deathmark well enough to grokk what it would imply to the skillset's structure. It just seems like good design to have some degree of symmetry across diametrically opposing organizations.
I do like the idea of holyfire working more similarly to deathmarks than timewarp/tempins but don't really understand deathmark well enough to grokk what it would imply to the skillset's structure. It just seems like good design to have some degree of symmetry across diametrically opposing organizations.
Chogan
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Re: Lusternian AMA
1. The Cogs in the Smog and founding of Magnagora's modern guilds! I've heard so many cool stories about that, really sad I missed it.
2. A resurgent Cogs of the Smog. Something more minor would be finally deciding the fate of Ghani's assistant's. Edwin and Latifa actually meeting after we tried to arrange it last bloodfaire too! (Edit: Also bumping the evilLantra plot)
3. Hmmm! This isn't really something in Lusternian history/lore, but I love the idea of an area with tainted aquamancers. I could picture some research station in the Sea of Despair where they were trapped, tainted, and driven insane unable to escape.
2. A resurgent Cogs of the Smog. Something more minor would be finally deciding the fate of Ghani's assistant's. Edwin and Latifa actually meeting after we tried to arrange it last bloodfaire too! (Edit: Also bumping the evilLantra plot)
3. Hmmm! This isn't really something in Lusternian history/lore, but I love the idea of an area with tainted aquamancers. I could picture some research station in the Sea of Despair where they were trapped, tainted, and driven insane unable to escape.
Uzriel
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Re: Lack of Raves VI: Rave Today, Tweet Tomorrow
Eighteen designs done for the Masquerade...now we pray for timely approvals!
Edit: nineteen. Save me from myself.
Edit: nineteen. Save me from myself.
Eritheyl
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Re: Lack of Raves VI: Rave Today, Tweet Tomorrow
the tae'dae teleport is in and I forgot to share it here:
Arix
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