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Re: Economy Proposal 2.0

Iarae said:
Honestly. I feel like once everyone can take herbs this is going to have the opposite affect as desired. People are going to strip the land barren of any harvestable plants in days.

With how often various plant populations are neglected as is, I have a hard time believing this would happen - not without significant changes to the harvest mechanics that would make it waaay easier to do this.

Sparkleberry, which is the most profitable herb, is frequently left alone for months at a time, and I rarely ever see any evidence of other people harvesting in Pandaemonium, which is literally dozens (if not ~one hundred) of extra available rooms.

People are -very- happy to pay some form of premium on convenience, though whether or not that amount is enough to motivate the masses to engage is another story. Lots of stuff just isn't going to be profitable unless people accept paying more over doing it themselves, and if we want to enable more people to do it themselves then I say okay (frankly, I think most will just give up due to the tedium before going back to buying out of convenience).

Re: Economy Proposal 2.0

Iarae said:
Saran said:
Ayisdra said:
Orael said:
Ayisdra said:
Gold Generation

The intention behind removing gold drops was to nudge players towards focusing on making gold from trades rather than from bashing. We have often heard complaints that it is much faster and easier to go hunt rather than make money through trade. We have hoped to move gold generation to quests and corpse turn-ins (and buff both), and, of course, trades. A not insignificant part of the reason was also the ease with which it would allow us to control the flow of gold into the economy.

Instead, we will retain gold drops (through hunting and influencing), aim to control all inputs better, and seek alternative/easier means of making money from trade (more on that later). That means that down the line gold drops might be lessened but definitely not removed altogether. Where needed, quests and turn-ins might still be adjusted too. We have pretty extensive data gathering systems in place for commodities, gold, and goop, and will be monitoring the situation.

Economy 2.0 is purposed as being optional and a person should be able to interact with it as little as they want. However, if you make merchanting the best gold source, it no longer becomes optional. Not everyone wants to quest. Not wants to (will want to) be a merchant. The people that just want to bash (and get their gold from the kill itself, rather than dealing with turnins and hoping someone didn't kill the turnin mob) shouldn't be punished for the not taking part in the economy by having much less gold generation to their choice in activity.
Gold from being a merchant is too dependent on not serve undercutting. A merchant, when the only investment into the trade is time (poisons, herbs, arguably enchantment), can just sell their stuff for 1gp and undercut everyone if they really wanted.
1) Quoting us saying we're not going to remove gold drops, but we may look at them and make adjustments

2) If people are selling things at 1gp, you can buy that stock, and sell it to the NPC that's buying it for more and make gold.

But if you keep/buff gold drops and someone is able to make 10K from that, but a merchant is able to make 15K from selling things, then you still have the same problem (one thing being faster/better at gold generation) just in the other direction.
That's not really the full picture though.

If Caedir spends all his time hunting/begging, his gold/hour might end up being lower but he's also generating exp/essence for himself as well as corpses and esteem that could be offered for further benefits including generating karma for the benefits that it can provide. On top of that Caedir would likely get ticks for daily credits if he isn't capped for the day.
Bob on the other hand might only trade and in turn gain more gold/hour but he also wouldn't be gaining all those extra resources that Caedir got in the same time and would come out of it with just gold.
Someone who does both wouldn't get as much gold as Bob or as much of the extra resources Caedir gets but on the other hand they'd get more gold than Caedir and more extra resources than Bob.

Whch is basically fundamentally how trades and economies appear to work in most games, trades are generally pretty great at making money but you're sacrificing time you could be spending generating other forms of currency along side gold. Even to the point that like, Caedir could potentially sell esteem to Bob who wouldn't otherwise be generating it, improving the gold Caedir earned from his time bashing.
What's stopping Bob from using that extra time he has from just popping out a couple crafted items and going hunting like Caedir to make up the difference? I think you underestimate the amount of time it takes to bash up that much gold as opposed to how quickly someone can simply craft items. I sell esteem in my shop currently and in a day (RL DAY) of nonstop bashing i might be able to get around 30k esteem which at 10g per unit (1 more than I sell for) I'd get 300k. Whereas someone who can gemcut, in a few hours stands to make upwards of 500k to 1mil just gemcutting with a hammer and selling the salt/sulfur they get to people who break goop items.

That's not even mentioning the amount they make selling aethertrading items in their shops/selling the goop items they get from refined items.

I've had a good pair of hours yield nearly a million gold if I time it so that I can get wonderpie turnins on two or three rounds of Illithoid. I did not, in fact, see my second comma in Luce's funds until I stopped trying to make money off of gems and esteem and just went bashing for it. And I'm trans jewelcrafting AND enchanting, have the enchanting artifacts, and don't gemcut unless I can use a mallet.

You're bashing the wrong spots.
LuceLuce

Re: Lack of Raves VI: Rave Today, Tweet Tomorrow

Lisae hold awesome conversations.
Raves for @Hiari, @Calfuray, @Huskii, @Galaphyrae for the most recent one, but also @Sondayga, @Veara, @Honeey, @Ilvisar, @Adrenthorne, @Lilalue, and @Daisee.
XiranXiran

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Oh yeah the discord has a new emoji: Shashi here for revenge


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Re: Players Power-Leveling True Newbies

My favorite part of the game experience is when you're between like...levels 40-70. It feels more grounded at that point. You are an adventurer, there are some dangers, your skills are kinda...there but not wholly developed, in a more fleshed-out/populated world it'd be easy to imagine yourself as...ugh, all I can think of is Naruto so forgive me, but like...chunin level. 

Sadly there's not a *whole lot* you can do to meaningfully contribute at that point; like Saran says it's kind of a "yeah you're there now but you should be grinding to demi". And when the fun of being just another face in the (supposed) crowd wears off and you do strap down and get to grinding...well, it hurts to do past 70 or so (powerlevel ur'bashes notwithstanding).

I'm not sure what my point is or what I would propose to change this but that's my 2 cents.
SeliaSelia

Players Power-Leveling True Newbies

This is regarding a culture of folks assisting newbies in Lusternia. I think it's a good thing, but not when we power-level true newbies before they acclimate to the game.

When we do, they don't get to figure out their character or take advantage of free lesson relearning before 60. Lusternia is a huge world to explore. A true newbie's sense of what this game offers may get skewed when they're instructed, implicitly or explicitly, that their goal is to level rather than engage with the orgs, the lore, the quests, the group activities (including combat), and other mechanical systems before grinding for demigod powers.

XiranXiran

Re: Players Power-Leveling True Newbies

This might be more emblematic of our overall game culture in the current state. Been getting harder for me to not just fixate on mechanical aspects of the game lately, especially with the economy focus.

When the base line is all that matters, and you want to optimise every last second of your time, then the rest of the world outside of that may as well not exist and everything starts to feel way smaller.

Re: Lack of Raves VI: Rave Today, Tweet Tomorrow

Terentia said:
I just wanted to share a rave to @Gurashi, @Yinuish, @Kethaera. I threw a last minute idea about decorations on them and they were able to help me quickly describe things and alleviate the work so I could focus on making sure things reacted appropriately. Thank you, and I hope you enjoy the decorations, party favours, and drinks.

Also thank you to [REDACTED] an extra helper, whose work may be revealed at a later date. :smiley:

Aww  <3 But you worked so hard on everything yourself, helping us come up with ideas and giving us research material. Even just the questions about the schedule and almost daily reminders helped a lot! We couldn't have done this without you, and I've been amazed from the start with how involved you were and how helpful. 15/10, best Goddess.

Re: Lack of Raves VI: Rave Today, Tweet Tomorrow

I just wanted to share a rave to @Gurashi, @Yinuish, @Kethaera. I threw a last minute idea about decorations on them and they were able to help me quickly describe things and alleviate the work so I could focus on making sure things reacted appropriately. Thank you, and I hope you enjoy the decorations, party favours, and drinks.

Also thank you to [REDACTED] an extra helper, whose work may be revealed at a later date. :smiley: